Yes, Travis. Every one of these fascist, authoritarian empires was defeated violently. Every one. What JVL apparently wants us to do is wait until Trump wins (or, almost as likely, SCOTUS invalidates the election and lets the House decide.) Project 2025 is implemented. And then we fight back and get violent, but only after sitting back a…
Yes, Travis. Every one of these fascist, authoritarian empires was defeated violently. Every one. What JVL apparently wants us to do is wait until Trump wins (or, almost as likely, SCOTUS invalidates the election and lets the House decide.) Project 2025 is implemented. And then we fight back and get violent, but only after sitting back and allowing everything to happen, and play by some kind of code. Because, apparently, otherwise it makes us Trump. Maybe not. Maybe it makes us Churchill? Maybe it makes us Washington? Or even Lafayette. Or any of the nameless and countless people who have fought people like Trump.
Trump may well win, but between now and then, we (the pro-democracy/anti-Trump coalition, led by the Democratic nominee), do not just sit and wait and then get violent after he wins. We use all the Constitutional means we have to defeat him. Once he wins, if he does, those means will be useless. So no violence between now and the election.
I’m not advocating violence. But one of the parties is in a street fight with at least one hand tied behind its back. We have to stop hiding behind institutionalism and civility and realize it’s now or never.
I’m no longer a fan of “when they go low, we go high”. We have to go after these liars and fascists. When one of them who voted no takes credit for infrastructure projects, we have to go after them. Not by a few social media people. But at the source. These liars have to be called out and trashed. Civility be damned. Sorry, but playing nice and by the rules is not going to save America, just as it hasn’t saved any other country.
Yes, Travis. Every one of these fascist, authoritarian empires was defeated violently. Every one. What JVL apparently wants us to do is wait until Trump wins (or, almost as likely, SCOTUS invalidates the election and lets the House decide.) Project 2025 is implemented. And then we fight back and get violent, but only after sitting back and allowing everything to happen, and play by some kind of code. Because, apparently, otherwise it makes us Trump. Maybe not. Maybe it makes us Churchill? Maybe it makes us Washington? Or even Lafayette. Or any of the nameless and countless people who have fought people like Trump.
Trump may well win, but between now and then, we (the pro-democracy/anti-Trump coalition, led by the Democratic nominee), do not just sit and wait and then get violent after he wins. We use all the Constitutional means we have to defeat him. Once he wins, if he does, those means will be useless. So no violence between now and the election.
I’m not advocating violence. But one of the parties is in a street fight with at least one hand tied behind its back. We have to stop hiding behind institutionalism and civility and realize it’s now or never.
So what then are you advocating?
I’m no longer a fan of “when they go low, we go high”. We have to go after these liars and fascists. When one of them who voted no takes credit for infrastructure projects, we have to go after them. Not by a few social media people. But at the source. These liars have to be called out and trashed. Civility be damned. Sorry, but playing nice and by the rules is not going to save America, just as it hasn’t saved any other country.
I agree with calling out the liars. It's how you do it that has to be very skilled. What rules do you think we no longer need to go by?
This sounds a bit like the old Bugs Bunny / Daffy Duck routine. Do we start shooting now or wait until we get home?
If violence is the only way to win, are we just quibbling about timing?
I'm still on team "we can win this without violence."
Violence begets violence. The renunciation of violence by Gandhi and MLK both led to successful resistance movements that in the end prevailed.
Me too, Kate!!
He doesn't have to shoot you now!