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Tim Coffey's avatar

What evidence is there that it'll burn out, Kate?

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SandyG's avatar

See "What Does our Current Fourth Turning Hold for Us?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxBjl7VYOM).

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Kate Fall's avatar

None!

Well, that's not entirely true. Trump is very old, and so are many of his fans, including his most devoted ones. The money is running out. Florida is in financial straits. And Trump can't actually improve anyone's living conditions. The GOP policies already mean that people in Red States don't live as long as people in Blue States. Propaganda may be able to cover that up for quite a while, but truth comes out in unpredictable ways. And the alliance between the Chamber of Commerce types and the Christian Nationalists gets weaker all the time. The truth will out as it did for the Soviets. The more we delay, the less damage can be done in that time. Maybe! I am not good at predictions.

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Tim Coffey's avatar

Kate, these people are very determined, very well funded, and have support in Congress and the judiciary. And they are also amoral. What they want is power. And should Trump win, he's got control of the executive branch and all of its agencies, and the Congress and judiciary will do his bidding. Game, set, match. It's over. Any and all resistance to Trump will be dealt with using unfettered executive power.

And by the way, people who vote in red states don't give a rat's ass about things like mortality rates, childhood obesity, poverty, or any sort of policy. What they care about is getting even with people who they think look down on them. There's no reasoning with people like that. So we have to have really think about what is the worst possible thing that can happen.

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Catie's avatar

I don't think the country is sustainable as is. As JVL has said, the pro-democracy side has to be perfect everytime, and none of us can be 100% perfect. The facsists just have to luck into getting it once, and frankly maybe that was 2016. I thought we had beaten them back in 2020, but here we are.

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