"My point is that we need to find a way to bring all parties to the table exactly so we can avoid the horror that ensued after our invasion into Iraq."
Regional players like the Qataris and the UAE are already filling this role of diplomatic moderators with mixed success at best. This kind of thing is currently ongoing. It hasn't stopped.
"My point is that we need to find a way to bring all parties to the table exactly so we can avoid the horror that ensued after our invasion into Iraq."
Regional players like the Qataris and the UAE are already filling this role of diplomatic moderators with mixed success at best. This kind of thing is currently ongoing. It hasn't stopped.
The thing is, Palestinians as a collective peoples are entirely preoccupied with the wholesale destruction of Israeli Jews as a cultural/political goal, and there ain't no way of getting around that when it comes to finding a peaceful pathway forward. Even if the Palestinians got all of the 1967 lines back they would still want the wholesale destruction and/or removal of every single Jew from the Jordanian river to the Mediterranean Sea and there ain't a damned thing that the Qataris, Saudis, or the UAE can do to change their minds about that one. There is no peace until that changes, and the Saudis aren't going to get that done either just like the UAE and Qataris haven't been able to. "The people are the problem" here when it comes to the mindset and goals of Palestinians versus what peace would dictate be required.
Bill Maher said it best: "The Palestinians want to destroy all of Israel, but can't. Israel could kill every Palestinian, but won't." That's where things stand, and there will be many many more Palestinian kids dying as a result of the stance and actions that their parents take for the foreseeable future. It's going to be just another thing we're going to have to get used to living with like school shootings and climate change. There isn't likely to be any change in that dynamic in our lifetimes and we need to move from the "something needs to be done" mindset into the "things aren't ever going to change there" mindset. We're throwing up our hands for nothing at this point because there's not a whole lot we can actually *do* about this. Only the Palestinians can change the future for their children, and that starts with ending their desire for every Israeli Jew to be removed or killed.
I know, I know, I know, .... but the Gulf states are not serious players in this. They are as decadent and narcissistic as Americans have become. Look at the tourist ads for Dubai and you'll see where their interests lie. It's not in helping the Palestinians. But they do have an interest in helping Israel if their help would provide more transactional gains for their sheikdoms.
Can we find any links to unite (now a meaningless word) any of the parties locked in this path towards mutual destruction? Your answer is clear, and I thank you for it, even if I'm still holding out for a future (way beyond my demise) without these conflicts.
Otherwise, we (meaning all humankind) will kill one another one way or another, directly or indirectly, actively or passively.
Perhaps the "good night" is coming no matter how much we "rage, rage against the dying of the light."
The narcissism in the West of thinking that they/we can somehow make Palestinians no longer violently anti-Semitic is another kind of narcissism. That's the kind of narcissism we suffer from. Thinking we're so special that we can make other groups of peoples with decades of blood feuds somehow think differently using our logic, values, and principles. Some problems literally just have to bleed themselves out on a long enough timeline until one side decides they've had enough. That's how I see this conflict ending, and it's not likely to get to that point within my lifetime, but it won't stop generations of western narcissists into thinking they know enough to overcome that sort of thing with western values and logic. You can't reason people out of a thing they didn't reason themselves into. Only time combined with sustained loss can cripple culturally emotional motivations, and it usually takes a good while of both.
I see American narcissism much more broadly and deeply than you describe here, but I agree that our hubris regarding involvement in foreign affairs has been part of it.
"My point is that we need to find a way to bring all parties to the table exactly so we can avoid the horror that ensued after our invasion into Iraq."
Regional players like the Qataris and the UAE are already filling this role of diplomatic moderators with mixed success at best. This kind of thing is currently ongoing. It hasn't stopped.
The thing is, Palestinians as a collective peoples are entirely preoccupied with the wholesale destruction of Israeli Jews as a cultural/political goal, and there ain't no way of getting around that when it comes to finding a peaceful pathway forward. Even if the Palestinians got all of the 1967 lines back they would still want the wholesale destruction and/or removal of every single Jew from the Jordanian river to the Mediterranean Sea and there ain't a damned thing that the Qataris, Saudis, or the UAE can do to change their minds about that one. There is no peace until that changes, and the Saudis aren't going to get that done either just like the UAE and Qataris haven't been able to. "The people are the problem" here when it comes to the mindset and goals of Palestinians versus what peace would dictate be required.
Bill Maher said it best: "The Palestinians want to destroy all of Israel, but can't. Israel could kill every Palestinian, but won't." That's where things stand, and there will be many many more Palestinian kids dying as a result of the stance and actions that their parents take for the foreseeable future. It's going to be just another thing we're going to have to get used to living with like school shootings and climate change. There isn't likely to be any change in that dynamic in our lifetimes and we need to move from the "something needs to be done" mindset into the "things aren't ever going to change there" mindset. We're throwing up our hands for nothing at this point because there's not a whole lot we can actually *do* about this. Only the Palestinians can change the future for their children, and that starts with ending their desire for every Israeli Jew to be removed or killed.
I know, I know, I know, .... but the Gulf states are not serious players in this. They are as decadent and narcissistic as Americans have become. Look at the tourist ads for Dubai and you'll see where their interests lie. It's not in helping the Palestinians. But they do have an interest in helping Israel if their help would provide more transactional gains for their sheikdoms.
Can we find any links to unite (now a meaningless word) any of the parties locked in this path towards mutual destruction? Your answer is clear, and I thank you for it, even if I'm still holding out for a future (way beyond my demise) without these conflicts.
Otherwise, we (meaning all humankind) will kill one another one way or another, directly or indirectly, actively or passively.
Perhaps the "good night" is coming no matter how much we "rage, rage against the dying of the light."
The narcissism in the West of thinking that they/we can somehow make Palestinians no longer violently anti-Semitic is another kind of narcissism. That's the kind of narcissism we suffer from. Thinking we're so special that we can make other groups of peoples with decades of blood feuds somehow think differently using our logic, values, and principles. Some problems literally just have to bleed themselves out on a long enough timeline until one side decides they've had enough. That's how I see this conflict ending, and it's not likely to get to that point within my lifetime, but it won't stop generations of western narcissists into thinking they know enough to overcome that sort of thing with western values and logic. You can't reason people out of a thing they didn't reason themselves into. Only time combined with sustained loss can cripple culturally emotional motivations, and it usually takes a good while of both.
I see American narcissism much more broadly and deeply than you describe here, but I agree that our hubris regarding involvement in foreign affairs has been part of it.