Racism is inherent in human beings. It is built into us. It is an evolutionary mechanism. You can call it something besides racism (because it encompasses more than race). racism is merely the most highly visible contemporary manifestation.
We have an inherent preference for those who are like us--whether it be "race" or social status, or…
Racism is inherent in human beings. It is built into us. It is an evolutionary mechanism. You can call it something besides racism (because it encompasses more than race). racism is merely the most highly visible contemporary manifestation.
We have an inherent preference for those who are like us--whether it be "race" or social status, or culture. Physical similarity is a signal of genetic similarity and cultural or social status similarity also works because the brain wiring for the whole thing is simplistic (it elides general similarity into genetic similarity).
The US HAS been a systemically racist country. We are still dealing with aspects of that. To deny that is to deny much of US history and culture.
Some people run their mouths about stuff in order to gain a following or get money or power. The misuse in that fashion does not invalidate the general observation that EVERYONE is racist to a greater or lesser degree--meaning that they will give preference to those who are most like themselves. The ultimate expression of this is nepotism.
I think it would be safe to say that most intelligent people with some decent education (and honesty) would recognize this--and so the thought that" 1) the US has been systemically racist and we are still trying to fix that and 2) people are racist are general beliefs that have validity--thus tarring the Democrats who have these beliefs is not actually tarring them.
Whites get more attention in this regard because, gee, they have held political, economic, and social power for most of the history of this country and have openly displayed their racism.
There is a common indicator of psychological dysfunction and/or cognitive dissonance (requiring cognitive behavior therapy). It is the propensity for a person to project historical events to being a current source of problem.
"The US HAS been a systemically racist country."
I think the problem with the progressive badge is that criticism is a required stock and trade and hence a progressive can never really admit to progress or else there would be no more need for a progressive project.
There is copious historical evidence of darkness and human malevolence. But then in 2008 53% of the nation voted for a black president.
The US was once a systemically and institutionally racist nation. Thankfully the Republicans went to war to abolish slavery, and then the Republicans ended Jim Crow and passed civil rights legislation. The next step is for the Republicans to defeat the Wall Street embedded Democrats that are destroying black economic opportunity. That will be civil rights 2.0 progress that progressives will find a way to criticize.
There are about 140 true white supremacists after Robert Byrd passed away... and 33% of them are Democrats, 33% of them are Republicans and the other 34% are anarchists. Find another meme.
"Racism is inherent in human beings. It is built into us. It is an evolutionary mechanism."
No it is not. Tribalism is. Cultural bias is because of tribalism. There is no inherent evolutionary benefit to racism (bias against others based on physical appearance). And the fact that Asians in America are the leading socioeconomic group dashes this fake theory of implicit racism all to hell.
Humans are predatory pack animals. They form tribes as a way to better attain and control the available resources. They fight other tribes when the other tribes compete for the same resources. Weak leaders attempt to carve out power by fomenting tribal conflict. People will align themselves with the tribe in power as part of a natural survival instinct... even when the tribe is warlike and nasty.
But this isn't racism. The Republican party has had a more diverse set of presidential candidates than has the Democrats that seem to be stuck on old white liberals. But I would not characterize the Democrats as racist because of this. They are tribal and their tribe is comprised of the people that adopt the worldview of the liberal progressive.
The secret sauce of the US being the most successful and most diverse country on the planet was because we demanded everyone be one tribe, one culture. We are not fighting any race wars today, we are fighting a cultural-tribal war.
CULTURAL bias is tribalism, which is an outgrowth of the natural tendency to preference the similar, which is rooted in evolutionary biology. maybe you should do some reading in evolutionary theory and evolutionary psychology/behavioral economics?
The fact that Asians succeed where others do not speaks to the nature of their culture and how it fits into American culture (specifically the work ethic and emphasis on education)... and of how that culture is perceived by the dominant culture. Look at what we did to the Chinese and the Japanese in the 19th century (up to and including barring them from coming to this country)... oh, and internment camps. How many German-Americans (or Italian-Americans) ended up in internment camps?
Success doesn't make the racism disappear and doesn't mean it wasn't there.
IOW, the Asians have succeeded in spite of racism. It is possible. They also do not labor under the large institutional and structural issues that the descendants of slaves have had to deal with. Are you going to argue that blacks did not suffer systemic oppression in this country because of their skin color and origin? Are you going to argue that other races have not faced similar, if less severe, obstacles?
I look at the examples of successful GoP Presidential candidates (the ones who won the nomination).... how are they more diverse than the Democrats? Especially the ones that got the nomination? How many female GoP politicians have been the party's Presidential nominee (zero)? How many visibly mixed-race have been part of the party ticket (Pres/VP) in the Presidential election? (zero). Again, you see what you WANT to see.
We didn't demand that EVERYONE be one tribe and one culture... especially those that did not "look like us." We certainly did not really do that with the slaves (or the natives)--we tried to keep them separate (or dead) or separate but "equal" remember? They were not welcome, regardless of how well they assimilated (even by the people who fought to end slavery--but wanted the blacks gone afterwards).
It isn't just cultural. as much as you would like to pretend.
If you demand one tribe and one culture the reality is that you are NOT being diverse. What made America successful was a combination of the unchaining of human greed via a capitalist economy with limited control (including human slavery and genocide), a large expanse of real estate (and resources) that could be easily taken from the native population, and several accidents of history.
Again, you see what you WANT to see. You want VERY badly to pretend that racism is not a thing.. or that it isn't racism, but something else that isn't so bad.. or that MIGHT even be good.
You just wrote a whole bunch of words that could have been replaced with "Frankly, you are correct".
But read this as tell me if you can spot the cognitive dissonance.... or demonstrated lack of logic.
"CULTURAL bias is tribalism, which is an outgrowth of the natural tendency to preference the similar"
"The fact that Asians succeed where others do not speaks to the nature of their culture and how it fits into American culture (specifically the work ethic and emphasis on education)"
You write these things to refute my points, and then make my points.
If the US is a country where whites are systemically racist against other non-whites and this explains the low socioeconomic circumstances of minorities, then Asians as a racial group would demonstrate the same low socioeconomic circumstances. They don't. That is evidence that there is not material systemic racism enough to explain other minorities low socioeconomic circumstances.
The reason is that Asian, in general, have more often assimilated into core American culture and have adopted American cultural values that support more successful outcomes.
What is messed up about the left memes of "racist America", and I know why they do it, is that the only divide we see growing and big today is class. The primary bias we see today is from the upper educated professional class and those working class and low income people. THAT is the implicit bias we are dealing with today... not racism.
1) Their CULTURE (which is different from American culture) emphasizes things that tend to increase the chances of success;
2) A lot of them come here as educated adults (H1-B visas) and (proportionally) have twice the population with a bachelor's degree or higher.
In other words, we aren't seeing the full population range of Asians as vice other races and they tend to be starting out in a better position (these days) than the average American, let alone the average American black.
Contrast this with growing up as black in America or Hispanic (especially if you show up in the US as an educated adult with a good job (H1-B visa) and then have the resources to raise children in the traditional Asian home environment.
What shaped the culture of American blacks? And where are they starting out, in comparison? What are the differences in perception (by the majority culture) of each group? It isn't as simple as you want to paint it.
As you point out, class (socio-economic status) is also a major factor--but there is just as much implicit bias by working class/low income against the upper class as there is in the opposite direction--the current faux populism of the GoP (and the accompanying performance art) is evidence of that.
I still find it hilarious that so many people think that Trump or his movement are actually populist rather than just grifters.
If you claim that the US is fundamentally racist... white bias against other races... then it would apply to all non-white races.
You cannot make this claim when it is clear that:
1. There are many people of all races that are successful and integrated into upper-class levels of American society.
2. The wealthiest and highest paid entertainers are black.
3. We had a two-term black POTUS.
4. The GOP ticket includes black candidates.
5. Mixed race marriages are plentiful and common.
6. Rosa Parks can sit anywhere she wants.
The list goes on.
The bias today is class. There is a bias against the underclass from the upper class. There is a bias against the upper class from the underclass. Blacks and other minority groups are over-represented in the underclass and under-represented in the upper class for reasons that are no longer racial bias.
The problem with you on the left continuing to push this fake scholarship of victimology is that it is not factually accurate and hence deflects from us having a real dialog about the real problems so we can some up with real solutions.
Effing more awareness about a fake boogieman of racism is not going to help anyone. Well it might help professional race-baiters make more clicks and money, and Democrats retain political power lacking anything else compelling to the American voter.
I work in trying to get more economic opportunity in the black community. Your lies about the black man being held back by white oppression is destructive to the black community. Stop it please.
1) You might want to think a little about how you’re defining racism. The idea that Asians aren’t experiencing racism because they tend to be successful would come as a real surprise to Asians, especially in recent years. I know very few Asians who haven’t experienced pretty stark racism. It was just in the past month a Wharton professor proposed halting Asian immigration because Asians are taking all the good jobs. See how Asian Americans feel about that. (The Great Replacement Theory espoused by the Tucker Carsons of the world is another example of growing racism.)
2) African Americans have and still experience economic racism that kept them steps behind whites and made building generational wealth. Land was stolen, and is still being stolen, from farmers. Whole successful tubes were destroyed and property seized and owners never compensated. Black WW2 vets were in many cases denied educational and other benefits given to virtually all white gets. Black neighborhoods were destroyed by highway projects and set off in neighborhoods underserved by local governments and businesses. Red lining made getting home loans nearly impossible for many blacks … and there has been story after about how black families are having difficulty getting loans despite having the same financial qualifications as whites. And it is EXTREMELY difficult to build generational wealth without home ownership. Those are just a few examples of how the economic deck has been stacked. There are many more examples … if you take the time to learn about them
Asian "racism" is coming from Democrats who lump Asians into whites and push colleges to limit their acceptance. That is why Asians are jumping from the Democrat party, in addition to the woke nonsense causing them to recoil.
100% of the problems in the black community are caused by the fall of economic opportunity that has been caused by the political establishment exporting jobs while importing more poor and uneducated people from other countries to compete for the remaining few, and the decades of failed liberal policies including attempting to pay off families with welfare while resisting education reforms that threaten the adult jobs program and Democrat campaign contributor we call the public education system.
So if you want to call this racism, then it is the Democrat party perpetuating that racism.
Racism is inherent in human beings. It is built into us. It is an evolutionary mechanism. You can call it something besides racism (because it encompasses more than race). racism is merely the most highly visible contemporary manifestation.
We have an inherent preference for those who are like us--whether it be "race" or social status, or culture. Physical similarity is a signal of genetic similarity and cultural or social status similarity also works because the brain wiring for the whole thing is simplistic (it elides general similarity into genetic similarity).
The US HAS been a systemically racist country. We are still dealing with aspects of that. To deny that is to deny much of US history and culture.
Some people run their mouths about stuff in order to gain a following or get money or power. The misuse in that fashion does not invalidate the general observation that EVERYONE is racist to a greater or lesser degree--meaning that they will give preference to those who are most like themselves. The ultimate expression of this is nepotism.
I think it would be safe to say that most intelligent people with some decent education (and honesty) would recognize this--and so the thought that" 1) the US has been systemically racist and we are still trying to fix that and 2) people are racist are general beliefs that have validity--thus tarring the Democrats who have these beliefs is not actually tarring them.
Whites get more attention in this regard because, gee, they have held political, economic, and social power for most of the history of this country and have openly displayed their racism.
There is a common indicator of psychological dysfunction and/or cognitive dissonance (requiring cognitive behavior therapy). It is the propensity for a person to project historical events to being a current source of problem.
"The US HAS been a systemically racist country."
I think the problem with the progressive badge is that criticism is a required stock and trade and hence a progressive can never really admit to progress or else there would be no more need for a progressive project.
There is copious historical evidence of darkness and human malevolence. But then in 2008 53% of the nation voted for a black president.
The US was once a systemically and institutionally racist nation. Thankfully the Republicans went to war to abolish slavery, and then the Republicans ended Jim Crow and passed civil rights legislation. The next step is for the Republicans to defeat the Wall Street embedded Democrats that are destroying black economic opportunity. That will be civil rights 2.0 progress that progressives will find a way to criticize.
Except the GoP has somehow become the banner bearers of racism in America today... they sure seem popular with the white supremacists for some reason.
There are about 140 true white supremacists after Robert Byrd passed away... and 33% of them are Democrats, 33% of them are Republicans and the other 34% are anarchists. Find another meme.
Saying something is so doesn't make it so... in case you didn't know that.
Pot calling kettle. Someone needs to take his own meds and stop prescribing to others.
"Racism is inherent in human beings. It is built into us. It is an evolutionary mechanism."
No it is not. Tribalism is. Cultural bias is because of tribalism. There is no inherent evolutionary benefit to racism (bias against others based on physical appearance). And the fact that Asians in America are the leading socioeconomic group dashes this fake theory of implicit racism all to hell.
Humans are predatory pack animals. They form tribes as a way to better attain and control the available resources. They fight other tribes when the other tribes compete for the same resources. Weak leaders attempt to carve out power by fomenting tribal conflict. People will align themselves with the tribe in power as part of a natural survival instinct... even when the tribe is warlike and nasty.
But this isn't racism. The Republican party has had a more diverse set of presidential candidates than has the Democrats that seem to be stuck on old white liberals. But I would not characterize the Democrats as racist because of this. They are tribal and their tribe is comprised of the people that adopt the worldview of the liberal progressive.
The secret sauce of the US being the most successful and most diverse country on the planet was because we demanded everyone be one tribe, one culture. We are not fighting any race wars today, we are fighting a cultural-tribal war.
CULTURAL bias is tribalism, which is an outgrowth of the natural tendency to preference the similar, which is rooted in evolutionary biology. maybe you should do some reading in evolutionary theory and evolutionary psychology/behavioral economics?
The fact that Asians succeed where others do not speaks to the nature of their culture and how it fits into American culture (specifically the work ethic and emphasis on education)... and of how that culture is perceived by the dominant culture. Look at what we did to the Chinese and the Japanese in the 19th century (up to and including barring them from coming to this country)... oh, and internment camps. How many German-Americans (or Italian-Americans) ended up in internment camps?
Success doesn't make the racism disappear and doesn't mean it wasn't there.
IOW, the Asians have succeeded in spite of racism. It is possible. They also do not labor under the large institutional and structural issues that the descendants of slaves have had to deal with. Are you going to argue that blacks did not suffer systemic oppression in this country because of their skin color and origin? Are you going to argue that other races have not faced similar, if less severe, obstacles?
I look at the examples of successful GoP Presidential candidates (the ones who won the nomination).... how are they more diverse than the Democrats? Especially the ones that got the nomination? How many female GoP politicians have been the party's Presidential nominee (zero)? How many visibly mixed-race have been part of the party ticket (Pres/VP) in the Presidential election? (zero). Again, you see what you WANT to see.
We didn't demand that EVERYONE be one tribe and one culture... especially those that did not "look like us." We certainly did not really do that with the slaves (or the natives)--we tried to keep them separate (or dead) or separate but "equal" remember? They were not welcome, regardless of how well they assimilated (even by the people who fought to end slavery--but wanted the blacks gone afterwards).
It isn't just cultural. as much as you would like to pretend.
If you demand one tribe and one culture the reality is that you are NOT being diverse. What made America successful was a combination of the unchaining of human greed via a capitalist economy with limited control (including human slavery and genocide), a large expanse of real estate (and resources) that could be easily taken from the native population, and several accidents of history.
Again, you see what you WANT to see. You want VERY badly to pretend that racism is not a thing.. or that it isn't racism, but something else that isn't so bad.. or that MIGHT even be good.
You just wrote a whole bunch of words that could have been replaced with "Frankly, you are correct".
But read this as tell me if you can spot the cognitive dissonance.... or demonstrated lack of logic.
"CULTURAL bias is tribalism, which is an outgrowth of the natural tendency to preference the similar"
"The fact that Asians succeed where others do not speaks to the nature of their culture and how it fits into American culture (specifically the work ethic and emphasis on education)"
You write these things to refute my points, and then make my points.
If the US is a country where whites are systemically racist against other non-whites and this explains the low socioeconomic circumstances of minorities, then Asians as a racial group would demonstrate the same low socioeconomic circumstances. They don't. That is evidence that there is not material systemic racism enough to explain other minorities low socioeconomic circumstances.
The reason is that Asian, in general, have more often assimilated into core American culture and have adopted American cultural values that support more successful outcomes.
What is messed up about the left memes of "racist America", and I know why they do it, is that the only divide we see growing and big today is class. The primary bias we see today is from the upper educated professional class and those working class and low income people. THAT is the implicit bias we are dealing with today... not racism.
Here is why Asians tend to succeed:
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/rise-of-asian-americans-2012-analysis/overview/
1) Their CULTURE (which is different from American culture) emphasizes things that tend to increase the chances of success;
2) A lot of them come here as educated adults (H1-B visas) and (proportionally) have twice the population with a bachelor's degree or higher.
In other words, we aren't seeing the full population range of Asians as vice other races and they tend to be starting out in a better position (these days) than the average American, let alone the average American black.
Contrast this with growing up as black in America or Hispanic (especially if you show up in the US as an educated adult with a good job (H1-B visa) and then have the resources to raise children in the traditional Asian home environment.
What shaped the culture of American blacks? And where are they starting out, in comparison? What are the differences in perception (by the majority culture) of each group? It isn't as simple as you want to paint it.
As you point out, class (socio-economic status) is also a major factor--but there is just as much implicit bias by working class/low income against the upper class as there is in the opposite direction--the current faux populism of the GoP (and the accompanying performance art) is evidence of that.
I still find it hilarious that so many people think that Trump or his movement are actually populist rather than just grifters.
You seem pretty brain dead on this.
If you claim that the US is fundamentally racist... white bias against other races... then it would apply to all non-white races.
You cannot make this claim when it is clear that:
1. There are many people of all races that are successful and integrated into upper-class levels of American society.
2. The wealthiest and highest paid entertainers are black.
3. We had a two-term black POTUS.
4. The GOP ticket includes black candidates.
5. Mixed race marriages are plentiful and common.
6. Rosa Parks can sit anywhere she wants.
The list goes on.
The bias today is class. There is a bias against the underclass from the upper class. There is a bias against the upper class from the underclass. Blacks and other minority groups are over-represented in the underclass and under-represented in the upper class for reasons that are no longer racial bias.
The problem with you on the left continuing to push this fake scholarship of victimology is that it is not factually accurate and hence deflects from us having a real dialog about the real problems so we can some up with real solutions.
Effing more awareness about a fake boogieman of racism is not going to help anyone. Well it might help professional race-baiters make more clicks and money, and Democrats retain political power lacking anything else compelling to the American voter.
I work in trying to get more economic opportunity in the black community. Your lies about the black man being held back by white oppression is destructive to the black community. Stop it please.
"The bias today is class."
I personally have known many upper middle class black people who disagree with that statement.
1) You might want to think a little about how you’re defining racism. The idea that Asians aren’t experiencing racism because they tend to be successful would come as a real surprise to Asians, especially in recent years. I know very few Asians who haven’t experienced pretty stark racism. It was just in the past month a Wharton professor proposed halting Asian immigration because Asians are taking all the good jobs. See how Asian Americans feel about that. (The Great Replacement Theory espoused by the Tucker Carsons of the world is another example of growing racism.)
2) African Americans have and still experience economic racism that kept them steps behind whites and made building generational wealth. Land was stolen, and is still being stolen, from farmers. Whole successful tubes were destroyed and property seized and owners never compensated. Black WW2 vets were in many cases denied educational and other benefits given to virtually all white gets. Black neighborhoods were destroyed by highway projects and set off in neighborhoods underserved by local governments and businesses. Red lining made getting home loans nearly impossible for many blacks … and there has been story after about how black families are having difficulty getting loans despite having the same financial qualifications as whites. And it is EXTREMELY difficult to build generational wealth without home ownership. Those are just a few examples of how the economic deck has been stacked. There are many more examples … if you take the time to learn about them
Asian "racism" is coming from Democrats who lump Asians into whites and push colleges to limit their acceptance. That is why Asians are jumping from the Democrat party, in addition to the woke nonsense causing them to recoil.
100% of the problems in the black community are caused by the fall of economic opportunity that has been caused by the political establishment exporting jobs while importing more poor and uneducated people from other countries to compete for the remaining few, and the decades of failed liberal policies including attempting to pay off families with welfare while resisting education reforms that threaten the adult jobs program and Democrat campaign contributor we call the public education system.
So if you want to call this racism, then it is the Democrat party perpetuating that racism.
If you thought I made your points, then you have some serious cognitive dissonance going on.
Sure. I have a relative who is insane and he thinks everyone else is crazy. Get some help.
Frank Lee is JBoone.