You just wrote a whole bunch of words that could have been replaced with "Frankly, you are correct".
But read this as tell me if you can spot the cognitive dissonance.... or demonstrated lack of logic.
"CULTURAL bias is tribalism, which is an outgrowth of the natural tendency to preference the similar"
"The fact that Asians succeed where others do not speaks to the nature of their culture and how it fits into American culture (specifically the work ethic and emphasis on education)"
You write these things to refute my points, and then make my points.
If the US is a country where whites are systemically racist against other non-whites and this explains the low socioeconomic circumstances of minorities, then Asians as a racial group would demonstrate the same low socioeconomic circumstances. They don't. That is evidence that there is not material systemic racism enough to explain other minorities low socioeconomic circumstances.
The reason is that Asian, in general, have more often assimilated into core American culture and have adopted American cultural values that support more successful outcomes.
What is messed up about the left memes of "racist America", and I know why they do it, is that the only divide we see growing and big today is class. The primary bias we see today is from the upper educated professional class and those working class and low income people. THAT is the implicit bias we are dealing with today... not racism.
1) Their CULTURE (which is different from American culture) emphasizes things that tend to increase the chances of success;
2) A lot of them come here as educated adults (H1-B visas) and (proportionally) have twice the population with a bachelor's degree or higher.
In other words, we aren't seeing the full population range of Asians as vice other races and they tend to be starting out in a better position (these days) than the average American, let alone the average American black.
Contrast this with growing up as black in America or Hispanic (especially if you show up in the US as an educated adult with a good job (H1-B visa) and then have the resources to raise children in the traditional Asian home environment.
What shaped the culture of American blacks? And where are they starting out, in comparison? What are the differences in perception (by the majority culture) of each group? It isn't as simple as you want to paint it.
As you point out, class (socio-economic status) is also a major factor--but there is just as much implicit bias by working class/low income against the upper class as there is in the opposite direction--the current faux populism of the GoP (and the accompanying performance art) is evidence of that.
I still find it hilarious that so many people think that Trump or his movement are actually populist rather than just grifters.
If you claim that the US is fundamentally racist... white bias against other races... then it would apply to all non-white races.
You cannot make this claim when it is clear that:
1. There are many people of all races that are successful and integrated into upper-class levels of American society.
2. The wealthiest and highest paid entertainers are black.
3. We had a two-term black POTUS.
4. The GOP ticket includes black candidates.
5. Mixed race marriages are plentiful and common.
6. Rosa Parks can sit anywhere she wants.
The list goes on.
The bias today is class. There is a bias against the underclass from the upper class. There is a bias against the upper class from the underclass. Blacks and other minority groups are over-represented in the underclass and under-represented in the upper class for reasons that are no longer racial bias.
The problem with you on the left continuing to push this fake scholarship of victimology is that it is not factually accurate and hence deflects from us having a real dialog about the real problems so we can some up with real solutions.
Effing more awareness about a fake boogieman of racism is not going to help anyone. Well it might help professional race-baiters make more clicks and money, and Democrats retain political power lacking anything else compelling to the American voter.
I work in trying to get more economic opportunity in the black community. Your lies about the black man being held back by white oppression is destructive to the black community. Stop it please.
1) You might want to think a little about how you’re defining racism. The idea that Asians aren’t experiencing racism because they tend to be successful would come as a real surprise to Asians, especially in recent years. I know very few Asians who haven’t experienced pretty stark racism. It was just in the past month a Wharton professor proposed halting Asian immigration because Asians are taking all the good jobs. See how Asian Americans feel about that. (The Great Replacement Theory espoused by the Tucker Carsons of the world is another example of growing racism.)
2) African Americans have and still experience economic racism that kept them steps behind whites and made building generational wealth. Land was stolen, and is still being stolen, from farmers. Whole successful tubes were destroyed and property seized and owners never compensated. Black WW2 vets were in many cases denied educational and other benefits given to virtually all white gets. Black neighborhoods were destroyed by highway projects and set off in neighborhoods underserved by local governments and businesses. Red lining made getting home loans nearly impossible for many blacks … and there has been story after about how black families are having difficulty getting loans despite having the same financial qualifications as whites. And it is EXTREMELY difficult to build generational wealth without home ownership. Those are just a few examples of how the economic deck has been stacked. There are many more examples … if you take the time to learn about them
Asian "racism" is coming from Democrats who lump Asians into whites and push colleges to limit their acceptance. That is why Asians are jumping from the Democrat party, in addition to the woke nonsense causing them to recoil.
100% of the problems in the black community are caused by the fall of economic opportunity that has been caused by the political establishment exporting jobs while importing more poor and uneducated people from other countries to compete for the remaining few, and the decades of failed liberal policies including attempting to pay off families with welfare while resisting education reforms that threaten the adult jobs program and Democrat campaign contributor we call the public education system.
So if you want to call this racism, then it is the Democrat party perpetuating that racism.
You just wrote a whole bunch of words that could have been replaced with "Frankly, you are correct".
But read this as tell me if you can spot the cognitive dissonance.... or demonstrated lack of logic.
"CULTURAL bias is tribalism, which is an outgrowth of the natural tendency to preference the similar"
"The fact that Asians succeed where others do not speaks to the nature of their culture and how it fits into American culture (specifically the work ethic and emphasis on education)"
You write these things to refute my points, and then make my points.
If the US is a country where whites are systemically racist against other non-whites and this explains the low socioeconomic circumstances of minorities, then Asians as a racial group would demonstrate the same low socioeconomic circumstances. They don't. That is evidence that there is not material systemic racism enough to explain other minorities low socioeconomic circumstances.
The reason is that Asian, in general, have more often assimilated into core American culture and have adopted American cultural values that support more successful outcomes.
What is messed up about the left memes of "racist America", and I know why they do it, is that the only divide we see growing and big today is class. The primary bias we see today is from the upper educated professional class and those working class and low income people. THAT is the implicit bias we are dealing with today... not racism.
Here is why Asians tend to succeed:
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/rise-of-asian-americans-2012-analysis/overview/
1) Their CULTURE (which is different from American culture) emphasizes things that tend to increase the chances of success;
2) A lot of them come here as educated adults (H1-B visas) and (proportionally) have twice the population with a bachelor's degree or higher.
In other words, we aren't seeing the full population range of Asians as vice other races and they tend to be starting out in a better position (these days) than the average American, let alone the average American black.
Contrast this with growing up as black in America or Hispanic (especially if you show up in the US as an educated adult with a good job (H1-B visa) and then have the resources to raise children in the traditional Asian home environment.
What shaped the culture of American blacks? And where are they starting out, in comparison? What are the differences in perception (by the majority culture) of each group? It isn't as simple as you want to paint it.
As you point out, class (socio-economic status) is also a major factor--but there is just as much implicit bias by working class/low income against the upper class as there is in the opposite direction--the current faux populism of the GoP (and the accompanying performance art) is evidence of that.
I still find it hilarious that so many people think that Trump or his movement are actually populist rather than just grifters.
You seem pretty brain dead on this.
If you claim that the US is fundamentally racist... white bias against other races... then it would apply to all non-white races.
You cannot make this claim when it is clear that:
1. There are many people of all races that are successful and integrated into upper-class levels of American society.
2. The wealthiest and highest paid entertainers are black.
3. We had a two-term black POTUS.
4. The GOP ticket includes black candidates.
5. Mixed race marriages are plentiful and common.
6. Rosa Parks can sit anywhere she wants.
The list goes on.
The bias today is class. There is a bias against the underclass from the upper class. There is a bias against the upper class from the underclass. Blacks and other minority groups are over-represented in the underclass and under-represented in the upper class for reasons that are no longer racial bias.
The problem with you on the left continuing to push this fake scholarship of victimology is that it is not factually accurate and hence deflects from us having a real dialog about the real problems so we can some up with real solutions.
Effing more awareness about a fake boogieman of racism is not going to help anyone. Well it might help professional race-baiters make more clicks and money, and Democrats retain political power lacking anything else compelling to the American voter.
I work in trying to get more economic opportunity in the black community. Your lies about the black man being held back by white oppression is destructive to the black community. Stop it please.
"The bias today is class."
I personally have known many upper middle class black people who disagree with that statement.
1) You might want to think a little about how you’re defining racism. The idea that Asians aren’t experiencing racism because they tend to be successful would come as a real surprise to Asians, especially in recent years. I know very few Asians who haven’t experienced pretty stark racism. It was just in the past month a Wharton professor proposed halting Asian immigration because Asians are taking all the good jobs. See how Asian Americans feel about that. (The Great Replacement Theory espoused by the Tucker Carsons of the world is another example of growing racism.)
2) African Americans have and still experience economic racism that kept them steps behind whites and made building generational wealth. Land was stolen, and is still being stolen, from farmers. Whole successful tubes were destroyed and property seized and owners never compensated. Black WW2 vets were in many cases denied educational and other benefits given to virtually all white gets. Black neighborhoods were destroyed by highway projects and set off in neighborhoods underserved by local governments and businesses. Red lining made getting home loans nearly impossible for many blacks … and there has been story after about how black families are having difficulty getting loans despite having the same financial qualifications as whites. And it is EXTREMELY difficult to build generational wealth without home ownership. Those are just a few examples of how the economic deck has been stacked. There are many more examples … if you take the time to learn about them
Asian "racism" is coming from Democrats who lump Asians into whites and push colleges to limit their acceptance. That is why Asians are jumping from the Democrat party, in addition to the woke nonsense causing them to recoil.
100% of the problems in the black community are caused by the fall of economic opportunity that has been caused by the political establishment exporting jobs while importing more poor and uneducated people from other countries to compete for the remaining few, and the decades of failed liberal policies including attempting to pay off families with welfare while resisting education reforms that threaten the adult jobs program and Democrat campaign contributor we call the public education system.
So if you want to call this racism, then it is the Democrat party perpetuating that racism.
If you thought I made your points, then you have some serious cognitive dissonance going on.
Sure. I have a relative who is insane and he thinks everyone else is crazy. Get some help.
Frank Lee is JBoone.