Steve, I think your question is when did they devolve into uninformative mud-slinging matches, right? Without having reviewed the past thirty years or so of debates (my time is too valuable for that waste), I strongly suspect that it got into high gear with OCF, when normally mild-mannered Joe Biden had to say, "Will you shut up?" becaus…
Steve, I think your question is when did they devolve into uninformative mud-slinging matches, right? Without having reviewed the past thirty years or so of debates (my time is too valuable for that waste), I strongly suspect that it got into high gear with OCF, when normally mild-mannered Joe Biden had to say, "Will you shut up?" because OCF was not providing anything of value, just interrupting and spewing his normal line of BS, mostly false at that. I recall that in 2016 he did not so much insult Hillary as he did try to unsettle her by his actions. I expect that other Bulwarkians have perhaps more based information.
Steve, I think your question is when did they devolve into uninformative mud-slinging matches, right? Without having reviewed the past thirty years or so of debates (my time is too valuable for that waste), I strongly suspect that it got into high gear with OCF, when normally mild-mannered Joe Biden had to say, "Will you shut up?" because OCF was not providing anything of value, just interrupting and spewing his normal line of BS, mostly false at that. I recall that in 2016 he did not so much insult Hillary as he did try to unsettle her by his actions. I expect that other Bulwarkians have perhaps more based information.