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You could run FDR/Reagan vs. Stalin/Hitler and each side would still get 43%.

2008 is proof of that - McCain while a decent candidate wasn't anything special, and Barack Obama was running for the out party with 20 charisma, and after a terrible 2nd term for the GOP and an economic collapse.

The fact that even then Obama topped out at 53% is proof that's the ceiling. Maybe with shifts in population, it's 54 or 55%, but even Biden would've gotten 45% this fall.

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This. All of this. In fact if you ran the exact same situation as 2008 now with the exact same candidates I bet Obama gets closer to 2020 Biden than 2008 Obama. That’s how polarized we have become in 12 years.

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