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Benjamin Seltzer's avatar

You're not alone, Lonn. I will confess to needing a few minutes to vent my spleen when Amanda shrugged off that particular violation so casually... and you're right. We're going to need a lot more pragmatism (and less meaningless symbolism, in my opinion) to fight this.

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HistoricalHolli's avatar

It amazes me that someone as smart as Amanda doesn't connect the dots between that norm-breaking action (whether it was in "the rules" or not) and where we are now.

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Kathleen Leary's avatar

Is she all that smart? Anyone who can say тАЬthe potential government takeover with healthcareтАЭ with a straight face and not have any self-reflection on it doesnтАЩt seem so smart to me. SheтАЩs one of the few people Tim has on who are not my cup of tea (party).

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Dave Yell's avatar

Remember after all she did work for DeMint and Cruz.

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Lonn Robertson's avatar

Thank you all - I was feeling super guilty and petulant. Nice to have some affirmation even if I wish I didn't need it.

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Benjamin Seltzer's avatar

The thing that really chafes me is that once the norms were violated, the Democrats just kept following them!

You don't tie your hands behind your back when the other guy shows you he came to a gunfight.

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HistoricalHolli's avatar

You're preaching to the choir, my man. And all the worrying about "what the Republicans will say so it doesn't matter what we do."

They won't have a lot to say if we punch them in the mouth enough times. They keep bullying us because we take it.

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Lonn Robertson's avatar

Perhaps I am blind to when we "didn't follow the rules" but if the McConnell move wasn't enough, then we had Tea Party antics that continued, then 4 years (seemed longer than that) of Trump - yet it felt like we still thought it was more important to follow Marquess of Queensbury Rules than to win. I thought we learned about that to finally beat the British in the 1780's.

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