Bakari brought up something I've been saying...if you think he's unfit to run for office right now, you better be calling for his immediate resignation. Otherwise it strikes me as purely political and not out of a concern for the country. Which maybe it is purely political? If that's the case though, just say he's losing and can't win, and don't bring age into the convo.
Bakari brought up something I've been saying...if you think he's unfit to run for office right now, you better be calling for his immediate resignation. Otherwise it strikes me as purely political and not out of a concern for the country. Which maybe it is purely political? If that's the case though, just say he's losing and can't win, and don't bring age into the convo.
No, that does not follow. Biden can be fit to be president right now, but (1) not able to campaign, which requires a different skill set, and (2) not certain to remain fit until January of 2029, or even 2026. He's clearly showing a cognitive slow-down. At this time, he is possibly (even probably, I think) still able to think WELL, but there's a fairly high likelihood that any 82 year old will start losing judgment capacity before age 86, and especially if he is beginning to be impaired in other ways.
As a strident Never-Trumper, I care a great deal about (1) and don't care at all about (2). I'm assuming Biden won't quit absent a medical emergency or death. If I'm correct, Biden's job is to beat Trump in November and live until at least after the Electoral College results are certified in January 2025. After that VP Harris can step up as President.
Bakari was the one who said that if he's not able to campaign, he's not able to govern, so I was really disagreeing with him on that point. As for fitness to govern right now, my point is that someone can be on the early part of the downhill slide, but still quite competent for the time being. (I've seen it in my own family.) I suspect that's true of Biden and if so, it's a reason why he should remove himself from the ticket, but not necessarily resign. But he MiGHT already be at the point of needing to resign. It's a possibility. My point is that if he's even close, he has no business running for another four-year term.
Joe is NOT prosecuting the case against Donald Trump effectively at all. Biden and his admin are effectively carrying out policy in the US and in the world. He can run his admin and NOT be an effective campaigner. Bakari is simply wrong on this idea.
For me, it's not political. I saw what I saw and see what i see. I had to turn away from the debate for a few minutes because of shock and sadness, (being a died in the wool liberal and supporter of Joe) and the GS interview was only slightly better. But you are right, it is not age. My father who was 93 when he died was much more coherent and capable than what I have been seeing from Joe. So to me it's visceral.
Yes, he should watch the debate, look at the polls, release his health reports, and resign. It's for moments like this that we have a VP. Though I think Bakari is right, when has a old white dude ever given up his power?
Come on liberal you know that isnтАЩt enough. He has to have another exam tomorrow than release the results. And if they are done then you have to get an тАЬindependentтАЭ doctor, maybe trumpтАЩs doctor and then release those results. If those donтАЩt say anything bad then that doctor has to hold a press conference and be convinced why Biden canтАЩt run.
You know this so IтАЩm stating the obvious: he could have a physical in front of the nation and the people who want him to drop out wouldnтАЩt change their minds.
Ok I appreciate your intellecutal honesty. A lot of people have been saying 'well, I think he can be president for the next 6 months, but not the next 4 years' which, if they think he's as bad as they're acting he is, I don't see how that is in good faith.
Yes I think he has done an amazing job as president, but he is, right now, he is in terrible shape and therefore a terrible candidate. And for all the talk of policy successes, if we lose this next election, there will no longer need for any policies. In fact the Chevron ruling took care of that anyway.
Bakari brought up something I've been saying...if you think he's unfit to run for office right now, you better be calling for his immediate resignation. Otherwise it strikes me as purely political and not out of a concern for the country. Which maybe it is purely political? If that's the case though, just say he's losing and can't win, and don't bring age into the convo.
Exactly. Mark Warner was sooooo concerned he wanted to finish his 4th of July vacation before he met with others.
No, that does not follow. Biden can be fit to be president right now, but (1) not able to campaign, which requires a different skill set, and (2) not certain to remain fit until January of 2029, or even 2026. He's clearly showing a cognitive slow-down. At this time, he is possibly (even probably, I think) still able to think WELL, but there's a fairly high likelihood that any 82 year old will start losing judgment capacity before age 86, and especially if he is beginning to be impaired in other ways.
As a strident Never-Trumper, I care a great deal about (1) and don't care at all about (2). I'm assuming Biden won't quit absent a medical emergency or death. If I'm correct, Biden's job is to beat Trump in November and live until at least after the Electoral College results are certified in January 2025. After that VP Harris can step up as President.
Respectfully disagree, but what do I know.
Bakari was the one who said that if he's not able to campaign, he's not able to govern, so I was really disagreeing with him on that point. As for fitness to govern right now, my point is that someone can be on the early part of the downhill slide, but still quite competent for the time being. (I've seen it in my own family.) I suspect that's true of Biden and if so, it's a reason why he should remove himself from the ticket, but not necessarily resign. But he MiGHT already be at the point of needing to resign. It's a possibility. My point is that if he's even close, he has no business running for another four-year term.
Ok I get your point. I just don't know what the right answer is, on any of it.
Me neither. We're rolling the dice either way.
Joe is NOT prosecuting the case against Donald Trump effectively at all. Biden and his admin are effectively carrying out policy in the US and in the world. He can run his admin and NOT be an effective campaigner. Bakari is simply wrong on this idea.
Well said!
For me, it's not political. I saw what I saw and see what i see. I had to turn away from the debate for a few minutes because of shock and sadness, (being a died in the wool liberal and supporter of Joe) and the GS interview was only slightly better. But you are right, it is not age. My father who was 93 when he died was much more coherent and capable than what I have been seeing from Joe. So to me it's visceral.
So to my point though, do you think Joe should resign immediately?
Yes, he should watch the debate, look at the polls, release his health reports, and resign. It's for moments like this that we have a VP. Though I think Bakari is right, when has a old white dude ever given up his power?
Joe has released his health reports.
perfect. 1 down 3 to go.
Come on liberal you know that isnтАЩt enough. He has to have another exam tomorrow than release the results. And if they are done then you have to get an тАЬindependentтАЭ doctor, maybe trumpтАЩs doctor and then release those results. If those donтАЩt say anything bad then that doctor has to hold a press conference and be convinced why Biden canтАЩt run.
HeтАЩs always been completely straightforward with his medical reports. If there were something to report he would.
Yeah I know. ItтАЩs a feeding frenzy. There is nothing you can do right now to get them to stop. Only thing is time and trump wonтАЩt shut forever.
Maybe Biden needs to release his long form health report.
You know this so IтАЩm stating the obvious: he could have a physical in front of the nation and the people who want him to drop out wouldnтАЩt change their minds.
Let the feeding frenzy continue.
Ok I appreciate your intellecutal honesty. A lot of people have been saying 'well, I think he can be president for the next 6 months, but not the next 4 years' which, if they think he's as bad as they're acting he is, I don't see how that is in good faith.
Yes I think he has done an amazing job as president, but he is, right now, he is in terrible shape and therefore a terrible candidate. And for all the talk of policy successes, if we lose this next election, there will no longer need for any policies. In fact the Chevron ruling took care of that anyway.