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Bakari Sellers is way smarter than me and is obviously correct on most of what he says, but I find the argument "Joe just needed to run against Trump" to be, to quote him, fan fiction in itself because this is exactly the problem: Joe failed miserably running against Trump on that debate stage, and not because of his answers, but because of his frailty. Bakari's answer that Joe will beat Trump because... Trump, then that is one massive gamble.

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Yep it’s the gamble with any candidate. They all have weaknesses. Some we know and some we don’t. Shit sando

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true but most of those are political which is the place where Trump is at his weakest.

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Hmm I’m not sure I understand. Biden’s political issue is age. All other candidates will have worse or better political issues with different demo’s. We just don’t know what they are and if they are surmountable in 4 months.

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Joe's problem is a human problem. We look at him and recognise his cognitive decline on a human level. No-one objects or is attacking him on his positions on liberal policies (Gaza the except maybe) so much so that it is recognised he has been one of the greatest liberal presidents of all time. The issue is purely his cognitive decline, and how that effects his ability execute the attack on Trump that is required. The argument that he has done so much good in the last 4 years is used to deflect from the next 4 months. We need Joe from Scranton more now than ever before, but he is failing to meet the moment physically which is way more heart breaking than a political weakness (asleep by 8pm being an example).

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Hmm. Ok I feel like you’re making a distinction without a difference. Being a female and black in power is also a political issue but it’s also a human issue (for a LOT of people. So does being gay).

I guess I find the distinction irrelevant but I understand you are trying to draw some distinction. I don’t see it but I understand your point of view.

I understand you think he has cognitive decline. I don’t but I won’t argue with your position because it’s a fair extrapolation from the debate.

Maybe it’s surmountable. Maybe it isn’t no one is doing better so there is definitely more upside with another candidate but also downside. I see both sides. In a vacuum I probably would do the Hail Mary and switch Biden out with Kamala but we don’t live in that world. We solve in a world where we will have 6 weeks of absolute dysfunction between Dems debating Kamala or gretch or Gavin or (pick any person’s favorite candidate) and the other side has a vote. You’ll get a billion dollars or oppo dumped on everyone. It will be a media wet dream.

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