"The conviction of former President Trump on politically motivated charges is an outrage and disservice to the nation," Pence told Fox News Digital.
"No one is above the law, but our courts must not become a tool to be used against political opponents," Pence continued. "To millions of Americans, this was nothing …
"The conviction of former President Trump on politically motivated charges is an outrage and disservice to the nation," Pence told Fox News Digital.
"No one is above the law, but our courts must not become a tool to be used against political opponents," Pence continued. "To millions of Americans, this was nothing more than a political prosecution driven by a Manhattan DA who ran for office on a pledge to indict the former president and this conviction undermines confidence in our system of justice."
(at about 45:33) - Tim says "you know there were like seven people on Twitter last night that are like now I've never voted for Trump before and now I am" The "Free" Press found them: https://www.thefp.com/p/theyre-voting-for-trump-to-save-democracy . I can't get inside their heads, but they're out there.
I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen anti-Trump lawyers on both sides of this case. Elie Honig ("Few if any people in American history have flouted the law in as many ways, over as many years, in as public a manner as Trump has" sez EH in his book) thinks the case sucks: https://cafe.com/elies-note/donald-trump-manhattan-da-case-jury-guilty-verdict/ I certainly hope it either holds up on appeal or that we have convictions on the more straightforward cases before any judgment on the appeal. And that enough people vote for Biden that the other cases _can_ continue ('cuz they certainly wouldn't continue under a 2nd Trump administration and Project 2025).
Yeah, I've heard both sides. I was expecting a hung jury. Mona expressed her skepticism of the case very well one Friday during her show. I keep coming back to Merrick Garland and his half-measures dealing with the ongoing 1/6 crime. I'm still mad Biden is running in the first place. But he is, the NY verdict is what it is, and Garland's delay means we're done with court cases before the election. I'm going to take Larry Hogan's advice and respect the jury's decision. I'm also going to try to enjoy the hell out of this summer. This may be the last hurrah for a while. The U.S. of A. is going to pivot away from its historic trajectory. Our leaders should have pulled out all the stops to defend the Constitution. The Republicans may have heinously betrayed this great nation, but the Democrats failed to defend it. Even if we miraculously dodge a bullet in November, the damage thus far is already too immense to repair in my lifetime.
We need a consensual reality to have a functioning democracy. People don't agree on what's real right now. OK, all of us never agree perfectly, and the differences are exaggerated by the extremes being most vocal, but I really feel like we don't have enough of a shared view right now to operate effectively. The dehumanization of each side by the other (and the dehumanization of adversaries outside the country and non-citizens within the country) is particularly worrisome to me, as is the temptation to dehumanize the dehumanizers.
Agree on the lack of a shared reality. Unclear about dehumanization. The MAGAs are presenting a domestic threat to the Constitution. I may need to dehumanize them in order to truly defend it.
Once a simplistic, sychophant tool, faux Christian, always the same.
Rocks-in-his-head Pence had the easy off-ramp to wait and see the outcome of the appeals courts (NYS has two levels like the feds - Appealate Court 11 members, and Court of Appeals with 5 members.
Come back in three years Mannequin Mike and claim the case is political when they have made their decisions.
Sigh. Dear Mike, to millions more people this was a crime committed by Donald Trump to save his ass in the 2016 election. Oh, but that election elected you too. Double sigh.
Update on Pence from Fox:
"The conviction of former President Trump on politically motivated charges is an outrage and disservice to the nation," Pence told Fox News Digital.
"No one is above the law, but our courts must not become a tool to be used against political opponents," Pence continued. "To millions of Americans, this was nothing more than a political prosecution driven by a Manhattan DA who ran for office on a pledge to indict the former president and this conviction undermines confidence in our system of justice."
Oh well.
(at about 45:33) - Tim says "you know there were like seven people on Twitter last night that are like now I've never voted for Trump before and now I am" The "Free" Press found them: https://www.thefp.com/p/theyre-voting-for-trump-to-save-democracy . I can't get inside their heads, but they're out there.
I'm not a lawyer, but I've seen anti-Trump lawyers on both sides of this case. Elie Honig ("Few if any people in American history have flouted the law in as many ways, over as many years, in as public a manner as Trump has" sez EH in his book) thinks the case sucks: https://cafe.com/elies-note/donald-trump-manhattan-da-case-jury-guilty-verdict/ I certainly hope it either holds up on appeal or that we have convictions on the more straightforward cases before any judgment on the appeal. And that enough people vote for Biden that the other cases _can_ continue ('cuz they certainly wouldn't continue under a 2nd Trump administration and Project 2025).
Yeah, I've heard both sides. I was expecting a hung jury. Mona expressed her skepticism of the case very well one Friday during her show. I keep coming back to Merrick Garland and his half-measures dealing with the ongoing 1/6 crime. I'm still mad Biden is running in the first place. But he is, the NY verdict is what it is, and Garland's delay means we're done with court cases before the election. I'm going to take Larry Hogan's advice and respect the jury's decision. I'm also going to try to enjoy the hell out of this summer. This may be the last hurrah for a while. The U.S. of A. is going to pivot away from its historic trajectory. Our leaders should have pulled out all the stops to defend the Constitution. The Republicans may have heinously betrayed this great nation, but the Democrats failed to defend it. Even if we miraculously dodge a bullet in November, the damage thus far is already too immense to repair in my lifetime.
We need a consensual reality to have a functioning democracy. People don't agree on what's real right now. OK, all of us never agree perfectly, and the differences are exaggerated by the extremes being most vocal, but I really feel like we don't have enough of a shared view right now to operate effectively. The dehumanization of each side by the other (and the dehumanization of adversaries outside the country and non-citizens within the country) is particularly worrisome to me, as is the temptation to dehumanize the dehumanizers.
Agree on the lack of a shared reality. Unclear about dehumanization. The MAGAs are presenting a domestic threat to the Constitution. I may need to dehumanize them in order to truly defend it.
Once a simplistic, sychophant tool, faux Christian, always the same.
Rocks-in-his-head Pence had the easy off-ramp to wait and see the outcome of the appeals courts (NYS has two levels like the feds - Appealate Court 11 members, and Court of Appeals with 5 members.
Come back in three years Mannequin Mike and claim the case is political when they have made their decisions.
Sigh. Dear Mike, to millions more people this was a crime committed by Donald Trump to save his ass in the 2016 election. Oh, but that election elected you too. Double sigh.
Well, Pence is going to do Pence.