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Migs's avatar

Yeah I hear you making the forceful case but I’m honestly not sure what he would say that could ever convince bill. I mean what should he say? They get mad at him when he says “I don’t believe the polls” but also “I’m going to give it my all and win.” I feel like they are just fishing for the perfect statement that says “I fucked up and I’m losing” but “im losing and I will turn it around with x, y, and z.” I also think they would then pivot to well another candidate can do x, y and z.

What I feel like they are missing is (1) they think because no one really knows who these good dem governors are their popularity will go up (it’s equally likely to go down and (2) not grappling with Americans will then question can candidate x really be a good president.

Biden is basically saying you should and will vote for me because I’m fighting for you and I have been successful fighting for you. The problem is no one gives two shits how great of a president Biden has been because people hate incumbents (true everywhere)

I’m going to throw a theory I have at you: Biden’s problem is not age, it’s incumbency. Don’t get me wrong the debate was shit and he is old and people don’t like that. However I think it’s a parking spot for the anger and vindictiveness. It’s true EVERYWHERE. It doesn’t matter if you are left, center, right, far right, old, young, or semi-authoritarian. Literally every incumbent everywhere is losing and losing big.

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Matthew's avatar

I think you’re definitely onto something there… people seem to get much more dissatisfied much quicker nowadays and whether it’s justified or not, they take it out on the incumbent. Economy is the perfect example of this… Biden gets blamed for the rocky economy and even though he’s navigated it very well people are upset and therefore it’s his fault. I’m not sure our attention spans as a collective country can handle someone for 8 years straight anymore.

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Sue From 28803's avatar

Of course we can. But tad to why we should keep the old white man:

Old is more than years. It’s the collection of years of experience both in the Senate and then with Obama as VP and global messenger/advocate for peace and whatever Obama wanted him to do. He learned about the statesmen of all different countries,

What troubles those countries and work with to fix it. He started peace negations with Israel and the Saudis, was going great until Hamss’ little jolt. 3 month war and Hamas is willing to settle with his peace plan

His charm and good will captured opponents. His good sense continued it. From my pov, he’s the one to convince

the Israeli

government to stand down

That will be hard as Netinyahu will go to jail right after.

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Migs's avatar

I honestly don’t have any idea what you are trying to say. The war has been going on for 8 months now and it splits his base AND unfortunately he is pinned in because (1) Israel is broadly popular in the us electorate and (2) bibi won’t listen to anything we say anyways.

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