The Bulwark is a news and commentary outlet, NOT a propaganda outlet whose job is to promote their "team". Furthermore, The Bulwark has zero influence on the electorate. It is not capable of doing "damage" to Biden. Biden has damaged himself, and it is not the job of anyone outside his own team to cover that up or spin it.
It is the job of journalists to find out and publicize the truth. Hiding inconvenient truths is the sort of thing that autocrats do, and it appears you wish The Bulwark would behave more like autocrats, publishing only what serves to promote the party line.
Worst of all, you accuse Tim of "trying" to force "Dem party division". You might sincerely believe the result of Biden's withdrawal would be division among Democrats, but turning that into an ad hominem attack on Tim, accusing him of INTENDING that outcome is both ridiculous and libelous.
One might similarly accuse you of trying to get Trump elected by forcing the Dems to stick with a candidate who is incapable of winning. The problems with that accusation are that 1) it is not clear that you actually intend that outcome, and 2) even if you wished for that outcome, you have no power to bring it about through your shitposting.
I am still not convinced that Tim and Bill are right. I think it might be too late to change candidates. But I completely reject your ad hominem attack, as well as your arrogant certainty that they are wrong. Tim and Bill have both shown more humility about their stance on this issue than you have ever shown about anything.
Tim and the Bulwark (actually mostly Charlie and Bill) have been agitating for months for Biden to pass the torch. Just before the debate it had settled down, eg Bill even tweeted “Biden’s a much better candidate now.” Then, night of the debate and for two solid weeks, all of them turned the volume up to 11 in a full court press expressing their opinion that Biden step aside. To be sure, ALL of MSM has done so, too, esp the NYT. The only stalwart in MSM is Lawrence.
I assert this is exactly the behavior that Putin/ Xi and the Oliwannabes want because Biden dropping out OR being damaged by his own party is DJT’s best chance of winning.
I also believe, esp with the behavior of the NYT, (inexplicable to me except for influence) that there’s an info war being waged against the USA, financed by Putin/Xi and the Oliwannabes, basically by anyone that wants to see the USA weekend and/or converted to authoritarianism.
I also believe that the Bulwark folk read and react to every poll as if the polling is a 100% true and correct representation of the facts on the ground when all recent actual results show that Dems and the issues aligned with Dems have been outperforming polls by significant number of %points, e.g. NY-3.
So, I’m very sorry if it ever looked like I was accusing Tim or anyone at the Bulwark of being fascist, that was never my intention.
I stand by my critique that their behavior pre and esp post debate has been exactly the behavior that Putin/Xi and the Oliwannabes would want to see.
DJT is a rapist felon fraudster and with the Epstein grand jury testimony being released, sure looks like there is a credible accusation that DJT’s propensity to rape women uncles 12 year old girls.
I’d love to see the Bulwark apply their knowledge , horsepower and their love of our country by focusing a little more on how unfit DJT Is, a little less on polling obsession, a little more on educating their readers, viewers and listeners on what they can do to help improve our situation, a little more on how dangerous Project 2025 and the people behind it are, a little more on how every race is importance inc taking back the House and retaining the Senate, and to focus a shit ton less in one poor debate performance.
One concrete idea, how about a week long series dedicated to helping us all understand the polling industry, how is it financed, how it’s used to drive media cycles etc.
I beg to differ, to turn a phrase.
Projecting what, exactly?
DJT’s best hope of winning is to force a Biden exit and/or Dem party division.
Tim and the Bulwark are trying to do both.
I don’t care that Tim says he’ll support Biden after he does everything he can to shit on Biden pre convention, the damage will have been done.
The Bulwark is a news and commentary outlet, NOT a propaganda outlet whose job is to promote their "team". Furthermore, The Bulwark has zero influence on the electorate. It is not capable of doing "damage" to Biden. Biden has damaged himself, and it is not the job of anyone outside his own team to cover that up or spin it.
It is the job of journalists to find out and publicize the truth. Hiding inconvenient truths is the sort of thing that autocrats do, and it appears you wish The Bulwark would behave more like autocrats, publishing only what serves to promote the party line.
Worst of all, you accuse Tim of "trying" to force "Dem party division". You might sincerely believe the result of Biden's withdrawal would be division among Democrats, but turning that into an ad hominem attack on Tim, accusing him of INTENDING that outcome is both ridiculous and libelous.
One might similarly accuse you of trying to get Trump elected by forcing the Dems to stick with a candidate who is incapable of winning. The problems with that accusation are that 1) it is not clear that you actually intend that outcome, and 2) even if you wished for that outcome, you have no power to bring it about through your shitposting.
I am still not convinced that Tim and Bill are right. I think it might be too late to change candidates. But I completely reject your ad hominem attack, as well as your arrogant certainty that they are wrong. Tim and Bill have both shown more humility about their stance on this issue than you have ever shown about anything.
Good to see that you have Tim’s appreciation.
It is nice when someone defends you from accusations of being a fascist and so I like to acknowledge that
I’ve never accused you nor anyone else at Bulwark of being fascist.
Mike, you accused Tim of being a Putin/Xi oligarch wannabe. This is a no BS zone and you’re slicing your own bologna way too thin in your denial.
That’s not at all what I said.
Tim and the Bulwark (actually mostly Charlie and Bill) have been agitating for months for Biden to pass the torch. Just before the debate it had settled down, eg Bill even tweeted “Biden’s a much better candidate now.” Then, night of the debate and for two solid weeks, all of them turned the volume up to 11 in a full court press expressing their opinion that Biden step aside. To be sure, ALL of MSM has done so, too, esp the NYT. The only stalwart in MSM is Lawrence.
I assert this is exactly the behavior that Putin/ Xi and the Oliwannabes want because Biden dropping out OR being damaged by his own party is DJT’s best chance of winning.
I also believe, esp with the behavior of the NYT, (inexplicable to me except for influence) that there’s an info war being waged against the USA, financed by Putin/Xi and the Oliwannabes, basically by anyone that wants to see the USA weekend and/or converted to authoritarianism.
I also believe that the Bulwark folk read and react to every poll as if the polling is a 100% true and correct representation of the facts on the ground when all recent actual results show that Dems and the issues aligned with Dems have been outperforming polls by significant number of %points, e.g. NY-3.
So, I’m very sorry if it ever looked like I was accusing Tim or anyone at the Bulwark of being fascist, that was never my intention.
I stand by my critique that their behavior pre and esp post debate has been exactly the behavior that Putin/Xi and the Oliwannabes would want to see.
DJT is a rapist felon fraudster and with the Epstein grand jury testimony being released, sure looks like there is a credible accusation that DJT’s propensity to rape women uncles 12 year old girls.
I’d love to see the Bulwark apply their knowledge , horsepower and their love of our country by focusing a little more on how unfit DJT Is, a little less on polling obsession, a little more on educating their readers, viewers and listeners on what they can do to help improve our situation, a little more on how dangerous Project 2025 and the people behind it are, a little more on how every race is importance inc taking back the House and retaining the Senate, and to focus a shit ton less in one poor debate performance.
One concrete idea, how about a week long series dedicated to helping us all understand the polling industry, how is it financed, how it’s used to drive media cycles etc.