Why is it that when the democrats get called out on their bullshit some delusional idiots turn it back to Trump. Truth is that 20 of the last 24 years the Americans have been bamboozled by the Clinton, Obama and Biden regime. The only reason they hate Trump is because he exposed them for who they really are. Traitors, thieves, liars and criminals. Every one of them has gotten rich on the backs of hard working Americans and letting the enemies of America screw them up the rear for a buck. The only hope we have is Trump and people like him that have the guts to call them what they are.
Been mulling on this since the first disasterous minute of the debate. My objective conclusion:
1. Time will take either or both of these candidates relatively soon, and that will force a reset in both parties.
2. Given a reset is inevitable, the crisis conditions of the present election give Dems the advantage of pulling votes. The choice this election is “Democracy? [Yes] [No]” — which removes any distaste the NeverTrumpers have for the Dem candidate. A younger Dem will establish a TNG record for the next 4 years, making the next election* an easier choice when we inevitably face the next MAGA wannabe authoritarian, wearing less make-up and better fitting suits.
3. If we run Biden and he falters during the next term, and we don’t have control of the house, it will be an all out war to stop a VP choice, and if you don’t think MAGA will take full advantage of the opportunity Constitutional succession affords them, please Google Eric Prince. Running a complete ticket in 2024 insulates Dems from fuckery for 4+ years w/ regards to VP meddling.
4. The Gen Y+ crew is desperate for representation. The US government has the same appeal to them as shopping in an old Sears store; there’s zero affinity. They need something to vote FOR. Sure, there’s the typical list - I get it. But seriously, my kid’s generation is not being reached or represented. A younger ticket with a strong VP voice would be a major motivator for them. Dems get this for free in this election.
Ok, so, honestly - if folks are still on the fence about what it means to vote for Trump in this election, we’re lost as a society. The better option is to leave the undecideds to navel gaze and spend all our time bringing a new generation into the conversation.
This is, in some ways, a gift. Let’s make the most of it.
*-assumes America continues to hold elections beyond 2024
OK now do Trump. All he did was lie through the entire debate as normal and this is the problem, the media and others in high places have normalized his criminal, sociopathic, racist, fascist and lying behavior. The man has NO redeeming characteristics. NONE.
This misses the point entirely. Trump is who he is. The question is, how to beat him? After the debate, do you really think the best way to do that is with Biden?
I’m standing with Biden. What I don’t understand is why NO ONE is saying that that friggin’ felon drop out of the race. Geez people…..get some perspective! Biden can and will win in November!
100%. And now Biden’s line is ‘more rest/sleep and no events after 8pm.’ WTF? love Joe Biden but the campaign is delusional if it expects to win with this messaging. We’ll all have to go down with his ego, piling tragedy upon tragedy. Sound familiar? Happy 4th, everyone.
This is why many people are so turned off by Democrats. You can't fix a problem if you refuse to admit it exists, even if we all see it with our own eyes right in front of us. Dems can't admit immigration is problematic even thought we all see it. And many can't admit Biden's state of being is problematic.
I've been desperately joining their coalition to stop Trump. And heretofore, I've convinced myself that Biden's age has been an issue for 3/5 years already and his competent team has been able to move us forward without issue. So I've assured myself his competent team could get us through another 4 years. I've now lost confidence that his team is competent. And I don't think Biden should do this job 4 more years -- in fact, the likelihood he lives for 4 more years is now in great question for me.
Thank you all for your service. Now step aside and let's try someone who can (1) win, (2) get through 4 years successfully, (3) possibly get thru 8 years. You'll all be out of jobs if Biden likely loses anyway, no matter how hard you spin. So you can be out of a job with Trump running things, or someone you agree with.
A lot of good comments below. It is reckless from the MSM to have played this game for 3 years and totally self serving from Jill Biden who knows better.
I work in a long term care nursing home in ohio as a dem , I feel betrayed . Biden needs to step aside . If he stays whose administration do we trust more for our well being . My fantasy is dems take everything then fix the supreme court , term limits , ethics , bigger . People in my circle our overwhelmed with this mess .
A blue collar husband and wife agree . We fear for our grandchildren , especially our granddaughters . We can only vote and live our lives in peace . The situation working with full blown maga is difficult ,we can’t imagine maga as head of our nation .
I agree with your assessment and also I have to ask the question if this is where he is now cognitively, where is he going to be a year from now two years from now three years from now four years from now?
Rick Wilson is right: Republicans unite behind a rapist, liar, fraud, and traitor. Democrats (and some Anti-Trumpers) dump their man after one bad debate. This continual harping on Joe Biden’s incompetence and inability to be president will make great campaign ads for Trump. One article questioning the wisdom of Biden staying in the race was sufficient. This firehouse of attacking Biden for daring not to step aside is uncalled for and helpful to Trump’s reelection. Make your point and then roll up your sleeves and get to work. I’ve cancelled by automatic renewal to the Bulwark+. I can’t support an organization that aids in the election of Donald Trump, even if well meaning or inadvertent.
What really ticks me off is that there is no way, this has just happened. The people around him must have known he has been in decline. Probably, part of the reason we haven't seen him out in public talking about the administration's accomplishments. He never should have run. His family and all the people around him who knew are being added to my list. This was unforgiveable. Any legacy Biden may have had is destroyed in this moment.
There is no way the Main Stream Media has not been complicit in this huge program of lying and gaslighting. Real journalism was murdered in the MSM years ago. They proclaimed themselves that it is a dereliction of their “duty” as “journalists” to be objective and non-partisan. They insist it is their ethical and moral duty to further the “Progressive” agenda. With a few exceptions, the “Fourth Estate” declared itself the enemy of the First Amendment. Most “reporters”, “talking heads”, etc., these days are MORONS who know and understand nothing, can’t write for shit and have not the slightest grasp of the differences between opinion, fact and their “feelings”. They have no concept of self-awareness. Wretched, self-righteous, IMBECILES.
Why is it that when the democrats get called out on their bullshit some delusional idiots turn it back to Trump. Truth is that 20 of the last 24 years the Americans have been bamboozled by the Clinton, Obama and Biden regime. The only reason they hate Trump is because he exposed them for who they really are. Traitors, thieves, liars and criminals. Every one of them has gotten rich on the backs of hard working Americans and letting the enemies of America screw them up the rear for a buck. The only hope we have is Trump and people like him that have the guts to call them what they are.
Excellent Tim and disheartening for anyone looking plain at the prospects for democratic government after January 2025.
Been mulling on this since the first disasterous minute of the debate. My objective conclusion:
1. Time will take either or both of these candidates relatively soon, and that will force a reset in both parties.
2. Given a reset is inevitable, the crisis conditions of the present election give Dems the advantage of pulling votes. The choice this election is “Democracy? [Yes] [No]” — which removes any distaste the NeverTrumpers have for the Dem candidate. A younger Dem will establish a TNG record for the next 4 years, making the next election* an easier choice when we inevitably face the next MAGA wannabe authoritarian, wearing less make-up and better fitting suits.
3. If we run Biden and he falters during the next term, and we don’t have control of the house, it will be an all out war to stop a VP choice, and if you don’t think MAGA will take full advantage of the opportunity Constitutional succession affords them, please Google Eric Prince. Running a complete ticket in 2024 insulates Dems from fuckery for 4+ years w/ regards to VP meddling.
4. The Gen Y+ crew is desperate for representation. The US government has the same appeal to them as shopping in an old Sears store; there’s zero affinity. They need something to vote FOR. Sure, there’s the typical list - I get it. But seriously, my kid’s generation is not being reached or represented. A younger ticket with a strong VP voice would be a major motivator for them. Dems get this for free in this election.
Ok, so, honestly - if folks are still on the fence about what it means to vote for Trump in this election, we’re lost as a society. The better option is to leave the undecideds to navel gaze and spend all our time bringing a new generation into the conversation.
This is, in some ways, a gift. Let’s make the most of it.
*-assumes America continues to hold elections beyond 2024
OK now do Trump. All he did was lie through the entire debate as normal and this is the problem, the media and others in high places have normalized his criminal, sociopathic, racist, fascist and lying behavior. The man has NO redeeming characteristics. NONE.
This misses the point entirely. Trump is who he is. The question is, how to beat him? After the debate, do you really think the best way to do that is with Biden?
I’m standing with Biden. What I don’t understand is why NO ONE is saying that that friggin’ felon drop out of the race. Geez people…..get some perspective! Biden can and will win in November!
No he can't.
100%. And now Biden’s line is ‘more rest/sleep and no events after 8pm.’ WTF? love Joe Biden but the campaign is delusional if it expects to win with this messaging. We’ll all have to go down with his ego, piling tragedy upon tragedy. Sound familiar? Happy 4th, everyone.
This is why many people are so turned off by Democrats. You can't fix a problem if you refuse to admit it exists, even if we all see it with our own eyes right in front of us. Dems can't admit immigration is problematic even thought we all see it. And many can't admit Biden's state of being is problematic.
I've been desperately joining their coalition to stop Trump. And heretofore, I've convinced myself that Biden's age has been an issue for 3/5 years already and his competent team has been able to move us forward without issue. So I've assured myself his competent team could get us through another 4 years. I've now lost confidence that his team is competent. And I don't think Biden should do this job 4 more years -- in fact, the likelihood he lives for 4 more years is now in great question for me.
Thank you all for your service. Now step aside and let's try someone who can (1) win, (2) get through 4 years successfully, (3) possibly get thru 8 years. You'll all be out of jobs if Biden likely loses anyway, no matter how hard you spin. So you can be out of a job with Trump running things, or someone you agree with.
A lot of good comments below. It is reckless from the MSM to have played this game for 3 years and totally self serving from Jill Biden who knows better.
I work in a long term care nursing home in ohio as a dem , I feel betrayed . Biden needs to step aside . If he stays whose administration do we trust more for our well being . My fantasy is dems take everything then fix the supreme court , term limits , ethics , bigger . People in my circle our overwhelmed with this mess .
A blue collar husband and wife agree . We fear for our grandchildren , especially our granddaughters . We can only vote and live our lives in peace . The situation working with full blown maga is difficult ,we can’t imagine maga as head of our nation .
Alrighty then. What are we going to do about it?
I agree with your assessment and also I have to ask the question if this is where he is now cognitively, where is he going to be a year from now two years from now three years from now four years from now?
Latest election projection by The Economist is HOUSE ON FIRE:
• Donald Trump has about a 3 in 4 chance of winning, with 307 electoral votes.
• Joe Biden has about a 1 in 4 chance of winning, with 231 electoral votes.
That would be an almost perfect reversal of the 2020 election.
Rick Wilson is right: Republicans unite behind a rapist, liar, fraud, and traitor. Democrats (and some Anti-Trumpers) dump their man after one bad debate. This continual harping on Joe Biden’s incompetence and inability to be president will make great campaign ads for Trump. One article questioning the wisdom of Biden staying in the race was sufficient. This firehouse of attacking Biden for daring not to step aside is uncalled for and helpful to Trump’s reelection. Make your point and then roll up your sleeves and get to work. I’ve cancelled by automatic renewal to the Bulwark+. I can’t support an organization that aids in the election of Donald Trump, even if well meaning or inadvertent.
What really ticks me off is that there is no way, this has just happened. The people around him must have known he has been in decline. Probably, part of the reason we haven't seen him out in public talking about the administration's accomplishments. He never should have run. His family and all the people around him who knew are being added to my list. This was unforgiveable. Any legacy Biden may have had is destroyed in this moment.
There is no way the Main Stream Media has not been complicit in this huge program of lying and gaslighting. Real journalism was murdered in the MSM years ago. They proclaimed themselves that it is a dereliction of their “duty” as “journalists” to be objective and non-partisan. They insist it is their ethical and moral duty to further the “Progressive” agenda. With a few exceptions, the “Fourth Estate” declared itself the enemy of the First Amendment. Most “reporters”, “talking heads”, etc., these days are MORONS who know and understand nothing, can’t write for shit and have not the slightest grasp of the differences between opinion, fact and their “feelings”. They have no concept of self-awareness. Wretched, self-righteous, IMBECILES.
100%. It started years ago when Ed Luce, Graham et al went along with the Oswald narrative.
Nailed it!