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Man this convo made me miss my Atlantic sub. Derek was one of my favorite authors and the first 15 minutes of this convo on the economy was amazing (Jerusalem Demsas deserves the shoutout she got also, she's awesome). Strong agree with his theory of cults around the issues of trust too. It's Robert Putnam's "Bowling Alone" dynamic meets the fractured media environment of the post-2010's meets humanity's default toward tribalism.

And yes, consumers drive media bias (Sarah will hate this) and that's because capitalism rewards the media outlets who chase niche/fractured audiences. Whatever drives ratings will drive their coverage, so just like the Lindsay Grahams of the political world, the media becomes a follower chasing a consumer base rather than a leader. "If it bleeds, it leads" on TV, "enragement is engagement" on social media. It's all about us and our negativity, fear, and outrage.

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