I have to say that this turning on Joe and Mika thing is very MAGA-like. Like the MAGAs....people are picking a single fact or two, making HUGE assumptions about it and ignoring the lack of logic behind it.
I liken this to FoxNews showing the video of a cop waving people into the Capitol on 1/6 and it being portrayed as them welcoming in …
I have to say that this turning on Joe and Mika thing is very MAGA-like. Like the MAGAs....people are picking a single fact or two, making HUGE assumptions about it and ignoring the lack of logic behind it.
I liken this to FoxNews showing the video of a cop waving people into the Capitol on 1/6 and it being portrayed as them welcoming in the attackers.
So...do you really think that Joe and Mika, upon seeing Trump win the election, sat down out of fear, and determined that they needed to get a meeting with Trump in order to save themselves from his wrath? After 8 years of criticizing Trump endlessly...do you really believe that all went away because they feared for their jobs/lives? Do you really think that after seeing Trump lie for 8 years and being one of the most untrustworthy people in the world, that they would believe him if he indicated that they would be "ok" if they never criticized him again?
Mika's dad was a international negotiator who dealt with undesirables around the world all of the time even though it was awful to have to meet with these cretons and treat them like rational actors and people....it had to be done.
No....Joe and Mika don't work for the State Department, but they did have a personal relationship with Trump. They chose to use it and I'm assuming they went to him and say that if he tries to target his political opponents that it will lead this country into one of the most violent and disastrous eras since the civil war and it will be his legacy.
Why the hell would they make this public if it were done to benefit themselves? They would keep that hidden.
In my 30 years of being in the military...I got a pretty good BS detector....and it constantly goes off when Trump or MAGA's talk but not Joe and Mika. They deserve FAR better than this. This circular firing squad stuff is awful...save your ammo for the real enemy.
Cowardice is the LEAST unfavorable interpretation that can be placed on the way that they and their producers turned on David Frum. That wasn't six-dimensional Chess or high diplomacy, it was panic.
I lost the Internet for a week, so I was forced to see MSNBC. Joe and Mika are on when I'm still sleeping on the West Coast, so I didn't see them. But every other show on MSNBC was filled with criticism of every single one of the Orange Snake's picks for his administration. As far as I can see, that channel is the only one talking about how dangerous the Snake's picks are for the country. They even have Tim and Charlie (among others) on daily on one show or another. People should be watching MSNBC instead of dinging it to death. And stopping Musk from buying the only channel that's on our side.
There is some reporting out there that Joe in particular is genuinely rattled. That's not assumption, supposition, or jumping to conclusions--people close to the man believe he is *scared*, both for himself and for his family.
He has reason to be. He knows Trump well, and his vengeful gangster nature. Moreover, as a former congressman, he knows the government well, and what grievous damage it can do to people in the wrong hands--particularly with those, like himself, with lots and lots to lose.
As such, I would say what all of us are trying to do is not so much *shun* or cancel Mr. and Mrs. Morning Joe per se, but implore them to dig deep and find their inner cojones. It will be quite easy for them to chop said cojones off, like so many have done in this sad era, and flatter and appease the incoming dictator. The mere act of them coming to Mar-a-Lago and "negotiating" with Donald is almost certainly seen by the *latter* as weakness and surrender.
And yeah, Joe probably doesn't see it that way. I'm sure most of the MAGA-ified Republican party doesn't see their cravenness any differently. But, alas.
I have to say that this turning on Joe and Mika thing is very MAGA-like. Like the MAGAs....people are picking a single fact or two, making HUGE assumptions about it and ignoring the lack of logic behind it.
I liken this to FoxNews showing the video of a cop waving people into the Capitol on 1/6 and it being portrayed as them welcoming in the attackers.
So...do you really think that Joe and Mika, upon seeing Trump win the election, sat down out of fear, and determined that they needed to get a meeting with Trump in order to save themselves from his wrath? After 8 years of criticizing Trump endlessly...do you really believe that all went away because they feared for their jobs/lives? Do you really think that after seeing Trump lie for 8 years and being one of the most untrustworthy people in the world, that they would believe him if he indicated that they would be "ok" if they never criticized him again?
Mika's dad was a international negotiator who dealt with undesirables around the world all of the time even though it was awful to have to meet with these cretons and treat them like rational actors and people....it had to be done.
No....Joe and Mika don't work for the State Department, but they did have a personal relationship with Trump. They chose to use it and I'm assuming they went to him and say that if he tries to target his political opponents that it will lead this country into one of the most violent and disastrous eras since the civil war and it will be his legacy.
Why the hell would they make this public if it were done to benefit themselves? They would keep that hidden.
In my 30 years of being in the military...I got a pretty good BS detector....and it constantly goes off when Trump or MAGA's talk but not Joe and Mika. They deserve FAR better than this. This circular firing squad stuff is awful...save your ammo for the real enemy.
Cowardice is the LEAST unfavorable interpretation that can be placed on the way that they and their producers turned on David Frum. That wasn't six-dimensional Chess or high diplomacy, it was panic.
I lost the Internet for a week, so I was forced to see MSNBC. Joe and Mika are on when I'm still sleeping on the West Coast, so I didn't see them. But every other show on MSNBC was filled with criticism of every single one of the Orange Snake's picks for his administration. As far as I can see, that channel is the only one talking about how dangerous the Snake's picks are for the country. They even have Tim and Charlie (among others) on daily on one show or another. People should be watching MSNBC instead of dinging it to death. And stopping Musk from buying the only channel that's on our side.
Mebbeh. Dunno.
There is some reporting out there that Joe in particular is genuinely rattled. That's not assumption, supposition, or jumping to conclusions--people close to the man believe he is *scared*, both for himself and for his family.
He has reason to be. He knows Trump well, and his vengeful gangster nature. Moreover, as a former congressman, he knows the government well, and what grievous damage it can do to people in the wrong hands--particularly with those, like himself, with lots and lots to lose.
As such, I would say what all of us are trying to do is not so much *shun* or cancel Mr. and Mrs. Morning Joe per se, but implore them to dig deep and find their inner cojones. It will be quite easy for them to chop said cojones off, like so many have done in this sad era, and flatter and appease the incoming dictator. The mere act of them coming to Mar-a-Lago and "negotiating" with Donald is almost certainly seen by the *latter* as weakness and surrender.
And yeah, Joe probably doesn't see it that way. I'm sure most of the MAGA-ified Republican party doesn't see their cravenness any differently. But, alas.