Not JUST his mother. His father was "born to immigrants," which means he wouldn't have been a citizen either according to the new formulation of things.
His mother may have been naturalized before his birth, but I would only agree to believe that if he could produce the paperwork.
Not JUST his mother. His father was "born to immigrants," which means he wouldn't have been a citizen either according to the new formulation of things.
His mother may have been naturalized before his birth, but I would only agree to believe that if he could produce the paperwork.
I can see a lot of unintended consequences coming from this: When/ how does one establish citizenship? Only those of us who can claim indigenous ancestry can plausibly argue that we are not descended from immigrants. Will we extend citizenship to everyone whose ancestors were here before July 4, 1776? How was citizenship granted or proven before there was paperwork and a bureaucratic process?
I absolutely know that I have undocumented immigrants as ancestors on my fatherтАЩs side. They came on the Fortune in 1621 right behind the Mayflower. No one gave them permission.
Before the Civil War and the 14th Amendment, "US citizenship" was a function of the federal government "recognizing" the citizenship conferred by STATE governments.
So it could only be proven by having a State-level apparatchik "vouch" somehow, if it came down to it.
I noted something immediately after the Roberts Court implied that the 14th Amendment section 3 didn't mean anything because no law was passed to repeat what it said.
If that's supposed to be a Constitutional principle, then neither Biden nor Trump are citizens, because the STATUTE which described birthright citizenship wasn't passed until 1952.
I might not be a citizen myself, because my parents were both born before 1952.
If this isn't even my country, I'd feel a lot better rising up in revolt, I guess. Heh.
Not JUST his mother. His father was "born to immigrants," which means he wouldn't have been a citizen either according to the new formulation of things.
His mother may have been naturalized before his birth, but I would only agree to believe that if he could produce the paperwork.
The long-form paperwork, of course!
I can see a lot of unintended consequences coming from this: When/ how does one establish citizenship? Only those of us who can claim indigenous ancestry can plausibly argue that we are not descended from immigrants. Will we extend citizenship to everyone whose ancestors were here before July 4, 1776? How was citizenship granted or proven before there was paperwork and a bureaucratic process?
I absolutely know that I have undocumented immigrants as ancestors on my fatherтАЩs side. They came on the Fortune in 1621 right behind the Mayflower. No one gave them permission.
Oh, by the way, I should've mentioned:
Before the Civil War and the 14th Amendment, "US citizenship" was a function of the federal government "recognizing" the citizenship conferred by STATE governments.
So it could only be proven by having a State-level apparatchik "vouch" somehow, if it came down to it.
I noted something immediately after the Roberts Court implied that the 14th Amendment section 3 didn't mean anything because no law was passed to repeat what it said.
If that's supposed to be a Constitutional principle, then neither Biden nor Trump are citizens, because the STATUTE which described birthright citizenship wasn't passed until 1952.
I might not be a citizen myself, because my parents were both born before 1952.
If this isn't even my country, I'd feel a lot better rising up in revolt, I guess. Heh.
This means you don't have to pay income tax, right?
There's nothing at all like "rule of law" in effect in the USA, so my interpretation is that we can all just decide for ourselves.
Laws were passed to enact it.
Replying to myself to wonder aloud if one could tie this up in the legal system for a few yearsтАж
It would be fun, but very expensive, but the courts might just dismiss any attempts by claiming individuals lack standing to challenge anything.