Isn't it great the a day after Bret Stephens bemoaned Democrats doing things like calling "misogyny" on people that Tucker Carslon stood up and said "hold my beer"?
Isn't it great the a day after Bret Stephens bemoaned Democrats doing things like calling "misogyny" on people that Tucker Carslon stood up and said "hold my beer"?
Even then, it’s liberals’ fault. Liberals calling a spade a spade forced Tucker to go on a creepy misogynistic rant, and forced tens of millions Americans to vote for the misogynist.
It’s the most frustrating thing about the right. They had to become racists because you called them racists. It’s weird that dems didn’t become communists and pedophiles.
Oh, Brett, you perceptive rascal. Of course, Trump wins because, well, stupid liberals. The disinformation industry, of which you are a tangential part, has had nothing to do with the rise of poisonous populism. I just wish you would have scolded us much earlier so that we could become perfect. I'm so ashamed.
I fired Bret Stephens from my reading. With "friends" like him, who needs enemies? He is working to undermine Harris, rather than doing everything to udermine Trump. If Harris loses, I blame Stephens. He doesn't understand that the perfect is the enemy of the good. (There are solid reasons for some cliches.)
Right, because as long as there are people in the world like Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump, Democrats can do no wrong and their shit doesn't stink.
No need to ever tighten up our act --- even if we know it is driving people into the Trump camp --- because as long as we can say Orange Man Bad we'll be golden.
Amanda--I'm good with tightening up our act and doing whatever we can do to bring candidates to the table that address the nation's needs. In fact, I am frequently asking how we can do that. My problem though is that I always feel like I'm arguing with air, and that the issues that seem important to Republicans and their approaches to addressing them seem to constantly shift to the point that I feel the most bedrock belief they have is they oppose whatever I seem to believe
Fair enough. But if you think Stephens' complaint about Ds over-using concepts like "misogyny" means he was claiming that Rs are never misogynist, I think you may have missed his point?
Granted, his tone in that article was pretty harsh, and that's not going to help the people who need to hear his points be open to them. Which is a shame. Because working through some of those criticisms (not necessarily ending up agreeing with them all) would only make the Democratic party and the progressive movement stronger.
Just to stress a point I just made. In the process of listening to Beg to Differ where Ross Douthat is the guest. I just paused to say that he would prefer to vote for Bernie Sanders than for Kamilla Harris. He had his reasons (in that he said stuff but honestly he sounded a little like the Peanuts teacher to my ears), but it just support my point that I don't know how the f to have a rational conversation with these guys.
Yeah but tupper, you know, that if Bernie was the nominee all of his complaints would be exactly the same as they were with Harris (crime, traffic accidents, gun shots, supporting ukraine, etc). That’s why I find one of the most useful conversations between sarah and jvl was about conservative writers/pundits in the Trump era. They are either (1) complete liars or (2) full of shit.
Ross and Bret have the same “type” of thinking. It is fundamentally one thing: dems are evil and bad and almost anything is better than them. What Trump did was fundamentally stressed this core belief. It would be fun to continue to watch this continual car crash IF our country wasn’t at stake.
In both of these convos (Bret and Ross), did you notice how fast they pivoted AWAY from Trump to shitting on Biden, Dems and dem voters?
They got their feelings hurt because like the not racists who don't lynch black people or burn crosses but do say things that sound racist they haven't assaulted and battered women. So why call them misogynists, hunh?
Guys like Stephens, Douthat, and most of the Dispatch crew no longer have ANY credibility IMHO. I get that the D's have their issues, but the notion that the D party and its elected reps are even remotely as "dangerous" as the R party is incredulous on an Olympian level. Their inability to say "do not vote for Trump", full stop, is pathetic.
Bret Stephens sits on his tufted throne of so called conservative principles withholding his blessing from Kamala until she deigns to meet his requirements for supporting. What an arrogant, irrelevant buffoon
Isn't it great the a day after Bret Stephens bemoaned Democrats doing things like calling "misogyny" on people that Tucker Carslon stood up and said "hold my beer"?
Even then, it’s liberals’ fault. Liberals calling a spade a spade forced Tucker to go on a creepy misogynistic rant, and forced tens of millions Americans to vote for the misogynist.
It’s the most frustrating thing about the right. They had to become racists because you called them racists. It’s weird that dems didn’t become communists and pedophiles.
Didn't you know that all Democrats are communists now? I know I'm ready to go all in on Marxism (/s).
Oh, Brett, you perceptive rascal. Of course, Trump wins because, well, stupid liberals. The disinformation industry, of which you are a tangential part, has had nothing to do with the rise of poisonous populism. I just wish you would have scolded us much earlier so that we could become perfect. I'm so ashamed.
I fired Bret Stephens from my reading. With "friends" like him, who needs enemies? He is working to undermine Harris, rather than doing everything to udermine Trump. If Harris loses, I blame Stephens. He doesn't understand that the perfect is the enemy of the good. (There are solid reasons for some cliches.)
He’s “intellectually conflicted” because…morals? Values? Fear? Sexism?
Because he made up his mind to be a contrarian to the dominant political forces of liberalism.
Right, because as long as there are people in the world like Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump, Democrats can do no wrong and their shit doesn't stink.
No need to ever tighten up our act --- even if we know it is driving people into the Trump camp --- because as long as we can say Orange Man Bad we'll be golden.
That oughtta last until January 21.
Amanda, did I miss Bret’s complaints about republicans calling dems “socialist, communists, and pedophiles?” Does this moral clarity only go one way?
Seriously, the problem I have with Bret is he has only principles when it’s the other team. Those principles are NEVER turned on his own coalition.
Amanda--I'm good with tightening up our act and doing whatever we can do to bring candidates to the table that address the nation's needs. In fact, I am frequently asking how we can do that. My problem though is that I always feel like I'm arguing with air, and that the issues that seem important to Republicans and their approaches to addressing them seem to constantly shift to the point that I feel the most bedrock belief they have is they oppose whatever I seem to believe
Fair enough. But if you think Stephens' complaint about Ds over-using concepts like "misogyny" means he was claiming that Rs are never misogynist, I think you may have missed his point?
Granted, his tone in that article was pretty harsh, and that's not going to help the people who need to hear his points be open to them. Which is a shame. Because working through some of those criticisms (not necessarily ending up agreeing with them all) would only make the Democratic party and the progressive movement stronger.
Just to stress a point I just made. In the process of listening to Beg to Differ where Ross Douthat is the guest. I just paused to say that he would prefer to vote for Bernie Sanders than for Kamilla Harris. He had his reasons (in that he said stuff but honestly he sounded a little like the Peanuts teacher to my ears), but it just support my point that I don't know how the f to have a rational conversation with these guys.
Yeah but tupper, you know, that if Bernie was the nominee all of his complaints would be exactly the same as they were with Harris (crime, traffic accidents, gun shots, supporting ukraine, etc). That’s why I find one of the most useful conversations between sarah and jvl was about conservative writers/pundits in the Trump era. They are either (1) complete liars or (2) full of shit.
Ross and Bret have the same “type” of thinking. It is fundamentally one thing: dems are evil and bad and almost anything is better than them. What Trump did was fundamentally stressed this core belief. It would be fun to continue to watch this continual car crash IF our country wasn’t at stake.
In both of these convos (Bret and Ross), did you notice how fast they pivoted AWAY from Trump to shitting on Biden, Dems and dem voters?
Yep. So tired of all of it. And to think I’ve been thinking about killing my NYT Subscription because them and wapo was better anyhow. Oh well
They got their feelings hurt because like the not racists who don't lynch black people or burn crosses but do say things that sound racist they haven't assaulted and battered women. So why call them misogynists, hunh?
Guys like Stephens, Douthat, and most of the Dispatch crew no longer have ANY credibility IMHO. I get that the D's have their issues, but the notion that the D party and its elected reps are even remotely as "dangerous" as the R party is incredulous on an Olympian level. Their inability to say "do not vote for Trump", full stop, is pathetic.
Talk about a lightweight.
Bret Stephens sits on his tufted throne of so called conservative principles withholding his blessing from Kamala until she deigns to meet his requirements for supporting. What an arrogant, irrelevant buffoon
Bret Stephens is a bedbug.
If only he were a buffoon—I think he knows exactly what he’s doing.
Hell, he's a "Nikki Haley" Republican. Just another unprincipled, tribal dabbler in politics.