Amanda--I'm good with tightening up our act and doing whatever we can do to bring candidates to the table that address the nation's needs. In fact, I am frequently asking how we can do that. My problem though is that I always feel like I'm arguing with air, and that the issues that seem important to Republicans and their approaches to ad…
Amanda--I'm good with tightening up our act and doing whatever we can do to bring candidates to the table that address the nation's needs. In fact, I am frequently asking how we can do that. My problem though is that I always feel like I'm arguing with air, and that the issues that seem important to Republicans and their approaches to addressing them seem to constantly shift to the point that I feel the most bedrock belief they have is they oppose whatever I seem to believe
Fair enough. But if you think Stephens' complaint about Ds over-using concepts like "misogyny" means he was claiming that Rs are never misogynist, I think you may have missed his point?
Granted, his tone in that article was pretty harsh, and that's not going to help the people who need to hear his points be open to them. Which is a shame. Because working through some of those criticisms (not necessarily ending up agreeing with them all) would only make the Democratic party and the progressive movement stronger.
Just to stress a point I just made. In the process of listening to Beg to Differ where Ross Douthat is the guest. I just paused to say that he would prefer to vote for Bernie Sanders than for Kamilla Harris. He had his reasons (in that he said stuff but honestly he sounded a little like the Peanuts teacher to my ears), but it just support my point that I don't know how the f to have a rational conversation with these guys.
Yeah but tupper, you know, that if Bernie was the nominee all of his complaints would be exactly the same as they were with Harris (crime, traffic accidents, gun shots, supporting ukraine, etc). That’s why I find one of the most useful conversations between sarah and jvl was about conservative writers/pundits in the Trump era. They are either (1) complete liars or (2) full of shit.
Ross and Bret have the same “type” of thinking. It is fundamentally one thing: dems are evil and bad and almost anything is better than them. What Trump did was fundamentally stressed this core belief. It would be fun to continue to watch this continual car crash IF our country wasn’t at stake.
In both of these convos (Bret and Ross), did you notice how fast they pivoted AWAY from Trump to shitting on Biden, Dems and dem voters?
They got their feelings hurt because like the not racists who don't lynch black people or burn crosses but do say things that sound racist they haven't assaulted and battered women. So why call them misogynists, hunh?
Guys like Stephens, Douthat, and most of the Dispatch crew no longer have ANY credibility IMHO. I get that the D's have their issues, but the notion that the D party and its elected reps are even remotely as "dangerous" as the R party is incredulous on an Olympian level. Their inability to say "do not vote for Trump", full stop, is pathetic.
Amanda--I'm good with tightening up our act and doing whatever we can do to bring candidates to the table that address the nation's needs. In fact, I am frequently asking how we can do that. My problem though is that I always feel like I'm arguing with air, and that the issues that seem important to Republicans and their approaches to addressing them seem to constantly shift to the point that I feel the most bedrock belief they have is they oppose whatever I seem to believe
Fair enough. But if you think Stephens' complaint about Ds over-using concepts like "misogyny" means he was claiming that Rs are never misogynist, I think you may have missed his point?
Granted, his tone in that article was pretty harsh, and that's not going to help the people who need to hear his points be open to them. Which is a shame. Because working through some of those criticisms (not necessarily ending up agreeing with them all) would only make the Democratic party and the progressive movement stronger.
Just to stress a point I just made. In the process of listening to Beg to Differ where Ross Douthat is the guest. I just paused to say that he would prefer to vote for Bernie Sanders than for Kamilla Harris. He had his reasons (in that he said stuff but honestly he sounded a little like the Peanuts teacher to my ears), but it just support my point that I don't know how the f to have a rational conversation with these guys.
Yeah but tupper, you know, that if Bernie was the nominee all of his complaints would be exactly the same as they were with Harris (crime, traffic accidents, gun shots, supporting ukraine, etc). That’s why I find one of the most useful conversations between sarah and jvl was about conservative writers/pundits in the Trump era. They are either (1) complete liars or (2) full of shit.
Ross and Bret have the same “type” of thinking. It is fundamentally one thing: dems are evil and bad and almost anything is better than them. What Trump did was fundamentally stressed this core belief. It would be fun to continue to watch this continual car crash IF our country wasn’t at stake.
In both of these convos (Bret and Ross), did you notice how fast they pivoted AWAY from Trump to shitting on Biden, Dems and dem voters?
Yep. So tired of all of it. And to think I’ve been thinking about killing my NYT Subscription because them and wapo was better anyhow. Oh well
They got their feelings hurt because like the not racists who don't lynch black people or burn crosses but do say things that sound racist they haven't assaulted and battered women. So why call them misogynists, hunh?
Guys like Stephens, Douthat, and most of the Dispatch crew no longer have ANY credibility IMHO. I get that the D's have their issues, but the notion that the D party and its elected reps are even remotely as "dangerous" as the R party is incredulous on an Olympian level. Their inability to say "do not vote for Trump", full stop, is pathetic.