@jvlast and @saletan, thank you for this discussion. After Friday, I gave some thought to whether President Putin could expect the same treatment about Lend-Lease when he visits the Oval. I explored that here - https://open.substack.com/pub/gregflo/p/want-to-make-a-bet?r=vqlmb&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web, along with drawing some parallels about Lend-Lease and Ukraine Aid. Smart money says President Putin won't get the same treatment.
*These comments reflect my personal views and do not represent the views of my employer, the United States Navy, or the United States Government.
I really did not want to watch another discussion about the meltdown. What good would it do? But I couldn't think of anything else I wanted to do this afternoon. I'm new to the Bulwark, and have never listened to you two before. I'll never miss another of your podcasts.
Mr. Cohen, you said, "What does this mean for you and me?"
I want you two to know how much this meant for me. I have heard that those who study disinformation have found that though outrage does attract attention, inspiration attracts at least equally. Your knowledge, experience and sense of decency remind me of my father, a WWll infantry veteran, who would be suffering if he were still alive to see what is happening. I am inspired by you, which means that some of my anxiety about this horror is lessened. I am ready to continue my means of resistance, which consists of calls to my representatives and short letters to our local newspaper, in Trump territory, with facts, written carefully and on a 5th grade level.
Thank you so much. You made a difference in my life today.
Yes, these gentlemen have much wisdom to share with you. They have worked intimately inside government and applied that wisdom and morality that you hear to global solutions to benefit what we believed was the "American Way". I am in my 70s and can proudly say to my family that I worked with these men and others to help people worldwide, all under the banner of the USA that supported liberty and freedom worldwide.
We will answer the call and fight again in the way that we can, but we are getting old. So I want to make sure that you heard what they said. You need to get active and find your way into this fight so that through "right action" we can defend our country and families from those Americans who have announced that they will take it away from us. They simply ask, "When I fall will you pick up the banner?"
😳 Eyes wide open moment. Thank you! Keep speaking and teaching. We need your voices and wisdom. To you both and many others I say, “please show us the way! Lead us and we will follow.”
This is a BRILLIANT discussion and why so many of us are terrified of America losing our democracy!!! (It’s UNBELIEVABLE but here we are… ) Alas the Bulwark only notes the writers as “Eric” and “Eliot” - does anyone know their full names? I would love to read every word they write!
Eric identifies the duo at the start of every episode. And their names show up along the bottom. I watch the videos directly in thebulwark.com on my desktop. Anyway, they are Eric Edelman and Eliot Cohen.
When these two say these things, it's as bad or worse than we could have imagined. Yet, I see a lot of European articles trying to say it was President Zelensky's fault. A lot of people around the world seem very intent on burying their heads in the sand.
"Ya know what? Forget the eggs. If I never eat another egg sunny-side or scrambled, omelette or poached…If I never have another egg and cheese on a roll from a New York City bodega…If I never again have another fancy crepe or souffle…all of that can go away and I’ll be OK.
I am now hearing a report that Russian media was in the Oval Office for Zelensky meeting, but not Reuters or the UP. Explanation was they weren’t supposed to be, but really raising questions about who makes the decisions about attendance at these meetings. Maybe should invite N Koreans also, since they have troops in Ukraine.
Zelensky was supposed to come to the oval office and say publicly “ Thank you sir, and may I have another? “ I heard little Marco try to say that we have to be nice to Putin and belittle Zelensky to get Russia to the table.
Ukraine now with the memory of the 1996 nukes deal & US promises made.
Yes, the world has been watching & US promises in recent years might as well be viewed as toilet paper & treated accordingly. That includes us Australians tearing up AUKUS (or replacing the USA with Canada), kicking America out of Pine Gap & the marines out of the Northern Territory, & revoking access for American warships to Australian ports. This should be done until such time that Americans wake the fuck up & prove that you are indeed the country you have told the world you are for decades!
Since we're on the bad guys' side now in global affairs, I wonder how long it will be before we're providing Russia military assistance in their war against Ukraine. It really has gotten to the point of absurd and tragic.
Of course Trump knew beforehand. Please don’t give him ANY LEEWAY.
Just listen to Mary Trump when she talks about who her uncle really is
@jvlast and @saletan, thank you for this discussion. After Friday, I gave some thought to whether President Putin could expect the same treatment about Lend-Lease when he visits the Oval. I explored that here - https://open.substack.com/pub/gregflo/p/want-to-make-a-bet?r=vqlmb&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web, along with drawing some parallels about Lend-Lease and Ukraine Aid. Smart money says President Putin won't get the same treatment.
*These comments reflect my personal views and do not represent the views of my employer, the United States Navy, or the United States Government.
I really did not want to watch another discussion about the meltdown. What good would it do? But I couldn't think of anything else I wanted to do this afternoon. I'm new to the Bulwark, and have never listened to you two before. I'll never miss another of your podcasts.
Mr. Cohen, you said, "What does this mean for you and me?"
I want you two to know how much this meant for me. I have heard that those who study disinformation have found that though outrage does attract attention, inspiration attracts at least equally. Your knowledge, experience and sense of decency remind me of my father, a WWll infantry veteran, who would be suffering if he were still alive to see what is happening. I am inspired by you, which means that some of my anxiety about this horror is lessened. I am ready to continue my means of resistance, which consists of calls to my representatives and short letters to our local newspaper, in Trump territory, with facts, written carefully and on a 5th grade level.
Thank you so much. You made a difference in my life today.
Yes, these gentlemen have much wisdom to share with you. They have worked intimately inside government and applied that wisdom and morality that you hear to global solutions to benefit what we believed was the "American Way". I am in my 70s and can proudly say to my family that I worked with these men and others to help people worldwide, all under the banner of the USA that supported liberty and freedom worldwide.
We will answer the call and fight again in the way that we can, but we are getting old. So I want to make sure that you heard what they said. You need to get active and find your way into this fight so that through "right action" we can defend our country and families from those Americans who have announced that they will take it away from us. They simply ask, "When I fall will you pick up the banner?"
😳 Eyes wide open moment. Thank you! Keep speaking and teaching. We need your voices and wisdom. To you both and many others I say, “please show us the way! Lead us and we will follow.”
This is a BRILLIANT discussion and why so many of us are terrified of America losing our democracy!!! (It’s UNBELIEVABLE but here we are… ) Alas the Bulwark only notes the writers as “Eric” and “Eliot” - does anyone know their full names? I would love to read every word they write!
Eric identifies the duo at the start of every episode. And their names show up along the bottom. I watch the videos directly in thebulwark.com on my desktop. Anyway, they are Eric Edelman and Eliot Cohen.
When these two say these things, it's as bad or worse than we could have imagined. Yet, I see a lot of European articles trying to say it was President Zelensky's fault. A lot of people around the world seem very intent on burying their heads in the sand.
Thank you for your straight talk and informed insight.
(cannot confirm author)
"Ya know what? Forget the eggs. If I never eat another egg sunny-side or scrambled, omelette or poached…If I never have another egg and cheese on a roll from a New York City bodega…If I never again have another fancy crepe or souffle…all of that can go away and I’ll be OK.
Just give me back my country."
— Paula Collins
I meant the AP, not UP
I am now hearing a report that Russian media was in the Oval Office for Zelensky meeting, but not Reuters or the UP. Explanation was they weren’t supposed to be, but really raising questions about who makes the decisions about attendance at these meetings. Maybe should invite N Koreans also, since they have troops in Ukraine.
Part of the Fascist playbook is controlling/limiting the free press - hence blocking ABC which is a critical link to news outlets everywhere.
Zelensky was supposed to come to the oval office and say publicly “ Thank you sir, and may I have another? “ I heard little Marco try to say that we have to be nice to Putin and belittle Zelensky to get Russia to the table.
The Kurds in Syria
The Afghans that served America
Ukraine now with the memory of the 1996 nukes deal & US promises made.
Yes, the world has been watching & US promises in recent years might as well be viewed as toilet paper & treated accordingly. That includes us Australians tearing up AUKUS (or replacing the USA with Canada), kicking America out of Pine Gap & the marines out of the Northern Territory, & revoking access for American warships to Australian ports. This should be done until such time that Americans wake the fuck up & prove that you are indeed the country you have told the world you are for decades!
Since we're on the bad guys' side now in global affairs, I wonder how long it will be before we're providing Russia military assistance in their war against Ukraine. It really has gotten to the point of absurd and tragic.
Thank you.
I donated to United24 today. If our (corrupt) government has abandoned Ukraine, maybe we can help fill the gap with personal donations?