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I am not sure that acting like Republicans is a good example of growing up. Neither is calculating probabilities based on multiple polls whining. The sense that many have that Biden is a weak campaigner is based on more than his first debate. And to say that he is a weak candidate is not to say that he is or would be a weak President. But then: the voters. I myself will vote for him, but given the State that I live in, my vote and the votes of my Democratic fellow travelers will count for nothing.

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The thing I both hate admire about Reublicans is that no matter what, they support their candidate. Biden is a good President even old he will be a better president than Trump. So if Bidrn acts old or forgetful they need to double down as the Republicans do for Trump. Never say your candidate isn't up for the job. Say Biden works so much and has so many things on his mind, Bidrn does get tired its because he gives his all for the American people. That's what Republicans do.

The debate became the strategy just like Hilarys emails. Find an issue no matter how small and constantly beat it like a drum.

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Perhaps it is easier for Republicans to stand by Trump and say the sky is green and the world is flat because their MAGA base is easier to gaslight than Dems. It seems to me that a big chunk of them are deeply credulous people. Perhaps the Dems (one hopes) are more like the little boy in Andersen's famous folktale and can see the Emperor is naked.

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Yeah but Biden is not naked. He's old. He had a bad night. That does negate 50 years of experience. He had a very good 1st term. He chooses good people. He's respected by world leaders. Isn't that enough? Why is everybody piling on? There is no candidate that has a better than Biden. Anyone they tear to shreds. They will go thru that person's entire life looking for the slightest miistake, lie, bad comment, traffic tickets and they will blow it all up out of proportion. They will shred him or her.

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Yep, thats all fair. If I thought it was simply 'a bad night' I'd still be with the team as it is and be with you on this. But I think there is something seriously wrong. What we saw wasn't just being tired or having a cold. He has declined in a remarkably accelerated fashion since his wonderful SOTU. I really believe it is likely he will continue to show a precipitating decline. If that is the case he will be humiliated in a spectacular fashion by the time the election arrives. None of us want that. I sincerely believe his stepping aside is the best hope there is to beat Trump. I would bet my last dollar that the Trump team are desperately hoping the Dems stick with Biden too. At the end of the day if Biden were up against Haley or Romney or any other Republican who was not out to toss democracy onto the rubbish tip of history I'd probably say stick with him as you suggest. But Trump and Project 2025 make that impossible for me.

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His follow ups have not given any reason for changing the judgment that he just doesn't have it. The debate was set up to answer the age question once and for all. Unfortunately it did just that.

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