I'm a lifelong Dem, have voted only Democratic for 50 years, and this is the first time in my life that I've been furious at a Democratic politician. (I'm a couple years too young to have been angry at LBJ in realtime.) After listening to the pod with Ezra I now have more Dems to be angry at.
I'm a lifelong Dem, have voted only Democratic for 50 years, and this is the first time in my life that I've been furious at a Democratic politician. (I'm a couple years too young to have been angry at LBJ in realtime.) After listening to the pod with Ezra I now have more Dems to be angry at.
My thinking is, if Biden stays in and loses to Trump, it will set back the Democratic party at least 10 years. This at a time when they have the opportunity to consolidate their recent wins and build an even stronger party.
Instead, they're willing to throw it all away? If you think some people are angry now, just wait and see if Biden loses, there will be anger that you can't even imagine right now. (No, I'm not talking about violence, just pure emotion and anger at every politician that let this happen.) People are disillusioned and turned off by politics now? Multiply that by 1,000. At my advanced age, I don't care if I never vote again, if the Dems lose what should have been an "easy" election. This is unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime.
Who can beat Trump? You do not understand that there's foreign intervention on websites, tic toc and other online sources to influence our elections. There is no one but Biden who can beat Trump.
I feel you. The first presidential election I voted in was in '76. I voted for Carter and I've voted Dem ever since. For me, it's all about beating Trump in November. I'll vote for Biden, Harris or any other Dem. These Dem politicians Ezra refers to who are willing to tolerate a Trump victory rather than push Biden to do better or get out nauseate me. If Biden can do better he needs to show that now!
He has. He's given several good speeches since. Has hosted the NATO summit and gave a good speech at the end. You won't hear that in the news. He is respected by foreign leaders, but he's never been a great speaker, like Obama or Clinton. He has been an excellent President. Probably one of the best.
Trump spouts nonsense all the time and Republicans praise him so the voters think he is great. Democrats stab a candidate in the back the second their candidate gets bad press.
Honestly... are you concerned about the next debate? Will you be going in with confidence that Biden is going to crush it? Biden had already lost a step back in 2020 and it gets worse every year. Not his fault that's just life. Prior to the debate I tune into Biden events fingers crossed thinking "Please don't F up". Half the time I couldn't watch out of anxiety. The Stephanopoulos interview wasn't great either and if there wasn't a problem he would be out front in the public eye giving interviews and this would have been squashed days ago.
Do to the media bull shit. This is Hillary's emails all over.
I heard Trump speak yesterday about children being alone and then drifted into train schedules and mangled a several words and the press said not a word and his audience was fine with it.
Again, I disagree. The media coverage may be unfair, but that's just the way it is. Trump's stupidity and venality is already baked in, but he does not look weak. Biden looks feeble and out of touch. If Biden can't show in a meaningful way (i.e., real Q&A with reporters not scripted interviews) I fear he's going to lose.
Check out his speech he gave yesterday st the Nato Summit. It was fine. He is not thevgreatest speechmaker, but he didn't look weak or unsure of himself.
I do have one disagreement. I don't think Trump looks strong. He looks like spoiled man baby tyrant.
To us Trump looks that way. But to millions his stupid, Mad Orange King vitality and inane comments and nicknames and lies look like strength. It seems Biden probably kept himself in the game tonight, if just barely, with his press conference.
I didn't watch the press conference. I hope he can be judged by additional metrics and not just his public speaking. At least doesn't and say stupid things like Trump. The other say I heard Trump talking about children left alone and then started talking about trains. Seriously it made no sense. They said it was in front of a 1,000 people, but literally looked a few dozen people.
My sense is that the press conference was ok, not great (a few gaffes and mixed up names). Biden made it clear he intends to be the candidate. I suspect he will be absent a catastrophic health event or if the big donor $ starts drying up (NY Times is reporting some of that today). Swing state polling looking worse for Biden but hard to know if that's a lagging reaction to the debate debacle or something more permanent. We'll see.
I respectfully disagree. Giving speeches off a teleprompter or softball TV interviews or a radio interview (like in Philly) where he's given the questions in advance isn't improving his position against Trump. It's about way more than his not being good in public speaking at this point. Whether he is physically and mentally capable of campaigning successfully against Trump and then having a reasonable chance of beating Trump is the issue. The whataboutism about how the media treats Trump isn't landing with voters.
Not sure why you seem to be getting angry when all I'm doing is stating what the facts are. In any event, my first choice is for Biden to start doing real things to show he's able to campaign effectively, answer questions and have a reasonable chance of beating Trump. But I'm increasingly pessimistic that he can do so. If not, I'm leaning towards Harris stepping up. She will take the fight to Trump, and if she loses at least we go down fighting.
I'm a lifelong Dem, have voted only Democratic for 50 years, and this is the first time in my life that I've been furious at a Democratic politician. (I'm a couple years too young to have been angry at LBJ in realtime.) After listening to the pod with Ezra I now have more Dems to be angry at.
My thinking is, if Biden stays in and loses to Trump, it will set back the Democratic party at least 10 years. This at a time when they have the opportunity to consolidate their recent wins and build an even stronger party.
Instead, they're willing to throw it all away? If you think some people are angry now, just wait and see if Biden loses, there will be anger that you can't even imagine right now. (No, I'm not talking about violence, just pure emotion and anger at every politician that let this happen.) People are disillusioned and turned off by politics now? Multiply that by 1,000. At my advanced age, I don't care if I never vote again, if the Dems lose what should have been an "easy" election. This is unlike anything I've seen in my lifetime.
Who can beat Trump? You do not understand that there's foreign intervention on websites, tic toc and other online sources to influence our elections. There is no one but Biden who can beat Trump.
I feel you. The first presidential election I voted in was in '76. I voted for Carter and I've voted Dem ever since. For me, it's all about beating Trump in November. I'll vote for Biden, Harris or any other Dem. These Dem politicians Ezra refers to who are willing to tolerate a Trump victory rather than push Biden to do better or get out nauseate me. If Biden can do better he needs to show that now!
He has. He's given several good speeches since. Has hosted the NATO summit and gave a good speech at the end. You won't hear that in the news. He is respected by foreign leaders, but he's never been a great speaker, like Obama or Clinton. He has been an excellent President. Probably one of the best.
Trump spouts nonsense all the time and Republicans praise him so the voters think he is great. Democrats stab a candidate in the back the second their candidate gets bad press.
Honestly... are you concerned about the next debate? Will you be going in with confidence that Biden is going to crush it? Biden had already lost a step back in 2020 and it gets worse every year. Not his fault that's just life. Prior to the debate I tune into Biden events fingers crossed thinking "Please don't F up". Half the time I couldn't watch out of anxiety. The Stephanopoulos interview wasn't great either and if there wasn't a problem he would be out front in the public eye giving interviews and this would have been squashed days ago.
We've sadly gone from "Dark Brandon" with glowing red laser eyes to "Please don't F up" in less than 6 months.
Do to the media bull shit. This is Hillary's emails all over.
I heard Trump speak yesterday about children being alone and then drifted into train schedules and mangled a several words and the press said not a word and his audience was fine with it.
Again, I disagree. The media coverage may be unfair, but that's just the way it is. Trump's stupidity and venality is already baked in, but he does not look weak. Biden looks feeble and out of touch. If Biden can't show in a meaningful way (i.e., real Q&A with reporters not scripted interviews) I fear he's going to lose.
Check out his speech he gave yesterday st the Nato Summit. It was fine. He is not thevgreatest speechmaker, but he didn't look weak or unsure of himself.
I do have one disagreement. I don't think Trump looks strong. He looks like spoiled man baby tyrant.
To us Trump looks that way. But to millions his stupid, Mad Orange King vitality and inane comments and nicknames and lies look like strength. It seems Biden probably kept himself in the game tonight, if just barely, with his press conference.
I didn't watch the press conference. I hope he can be judged by additional metrics and not just his public speaking. At least doesn't and say stupid things like Trump. The other say I heard Trump talking about children left alone and then started talking about trains. Seriously it made no sense. They said it was in front of a 1,000 people, but literally looked a few dozen people.
My sense is that the press conference was ok, not great (a few gaffes and mixed up names). Biden made it clear he intends to be the candidate. I suspect he will be absent a catastrophic health event or if the big donor $ starts drying up (NY Times is reporting some of that today). Swing state polling looking worse for Biden but hard to know if that's a lagging reaction to the debate debacle or something more permanent. We'll see.
I respectfully disagree. Giving speeches off a teleprompter or softball TV interviews or a radio interview (like in Philly) where he's given the questions in advance isn't improving his position against Trump. It's about way more than his not being good in public speaking at this point. Whether he is physically and mentally capable of campaigning successfully against Trump and then having a reasonable chance of beating Trump is the issue. The whataboutism about how the media treats Trump isn't landing with voters.
Well then fuck it. I'd love to hear the name of who you all think can replace him
Not sure why you seem to be getting angry when all I'm doing is stating what the facts are. In any event, my first choice is for Biden to start doing real things to show he's able to campaign effectively, answer questions and have a reasonable chance of beating Trump. But I'm increasingly pessimistic that he can do so. If not, I'm leaning towards Harris stepping up. She will take the fight to Trump, and if she loses at least we go down fighting.