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For those who did not listen to this podcast, this is from the transcript:

Ezra: “I think it is clear, like people are like weighing the set of things. Like it would be quite unpleasant for me personally to come out against the president as a elected official in a Democratic Party and weighing what will happen if Donald Trump wins and saying in a revealed preference way, I can live with Donald Trump winning. And I've had people say that to me off the record, to be fair.

I've had top Democrats say to me, basically something like, I don't know why all these Democrats who think Donald Trump is an existential threat to democracy are acting the way they are. But the reason I'm acting the way I am is because I don't think that.

Tim: Who the fuck is this? Out of your sources, Ezra. I'm about to be in leaking text mode over here myself.”

From The Bulwark Podcast: Ezra Klein: A Path to Defeat, Jul 10, 2024

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bulwark-podcast/id1447684472?i=1000661819578

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