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And this from the transcript:

Ezra:

“If I were hearing from top Democrats saying, listen, I think our best path to winning is still Joe Biden. I think that unfortunately Harris is a weaker candidate, and I think that an open convention process or a blitz primary would leave us in a worse place. And these are all bad options, but Joe Biden is the least bad option, fine.

I just want to say this because it is, I don't think you can understand what I'm saying. If I don't, that is not what I am hearing from anybody. Like, nobody says that.

Nobody says Joe Biden is the best chance of winning. Nobody even says they think Joe Biden can win. I have not had one top Democrat say that to me, nor has Joe Biden come to any of them with a plan for how to win, right?”

From The Bulwark Podcast: Ezra Klein: A Path to Defeat, Jul 10, 2024

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bulwark-podcast/id1447684472?i=1000661819578

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