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And from the transcript, regarding Biden’s contention that the polls are wrong and that it’s the elites who are against him:

Ezra “I'm told that Joe Biden is running well behind Democrats in house districts from people who do that kind of polling. So we are not finding an electorate that is unwilling to vote for Democrats, even though we know Democrats have been doing pretty well in 2018 and 2020 and 2022. We're finding an electorate that does not want to vote for Joe Biden.

And virtually every piece of data we have is consistent on that. Presidential approval ratings, head-to-head matchups, and the Democratic elites, which contrary to Joe Biden, the President of the United States, telling the co-hosts of Morning Joe and MSNBC that he's getting real tired of all these elites, president company accepted, the actual elites who run things in the Democratic Party have just been refusing to listen to the voters on this. The voters are saying they think Joe Biden is too old, they don't want him to run again.

The Democratic Party has kind of been like, sit down and shut up. And yeah, maybe as you say, all the errors in Democrats' direction this year, but there is no reason, there is no information we have currently that points in that direction. “

From The Bulwark Podcast: Ezra Klein: A Path to Defeat, Jul 10, 2024

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bulwark-podcast/id1447684472?i=1000661819578

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