I’m a “Haley Republican” in NY. She’s delusional if she thought she was getting our votes because we were in love with her. She was getting them because she’s not Donald Trump.
She could’ve gone forward with honor and dignity and possibly earned our love and respect, but no one is surprised that she caved.
I’m a “Haley Republican” in NY. She’s delusional if she thought she was getting our votes because we were in love with her. She was getting them because she’s not Donald Trump.
She could’ve gone forward with honor and dignity and possibly earned our love and respect, but no one is surprised that she caved.
She’s without a party now in a smaller place than Liz Cheney. I hope she doesn’t expect MAGALand to welcome her back. They don’t even trust Stefanik and Graham.
Pure opinion. I see people attacking Stefanik on Twitter for insufficient MAGAness. There was a news article some time back in NYT or WaPo that indicated she wasn’t getting Veep because she wasn’t trustworthy.
OK, thx for letting me know it's your opirion. You might think about prefacing your statements with, "I may be wrong, but . . . " It sounded to me like it was a fact.
Same here. I voted for her in the Indiana GOP primary only because she wasn't Donald Trump. I didn't trust that she wouldn't stab us Never Trumpers in the back. Sure enough the minute I started believing she was actually sincere in what she was saying, she brings out the knife and stabs us again.
I cannot let go of the idea that this is simply the first step in a series of steps where she is named VP pick. The MAGA faithful will embrace whoever he names, and she will allow "normies" to pull the R lever without a problem. Trump knows that he must win--it's existential, and he will do whatever it takes to get there.
Agree it's existential. If his internal polling shows Haley gives him the win, he'll find a way to "fuhget" - as they say in Queens - about her disloyalty.
Maybe this is her cleverest way to keep her campaign promise to ‘pardon’ him if elected. And if somehow he decides to resign, you know, because of late stage dementia or whatever his current stage dementia represents, she can offer an additional ‘Gerald Ford special’ as he heads to the rest home.
He LOVES it when people oppose him then grovel to try to get back in his good graces. Stefanik, JD Vance, Vivek, and Tim Scott all spoke out against Trump and are on the VP short list. Nikki didn't grovel enough. I do think he will pick a woman or a minority.
I agree. The powers that be (Leo Leonard, Koch $$$) after the election ( if Trump Haley ticket wins) will push Trump out with a pardon and money, and Haley will select Romney as VP. VOTE BLUE.
I figured he'd "resign" due to health reason, get pardoned and paid off. I guarantee you they have a plan. The Federalist Society etc are just using the MAGA-svere to accomplish their goals. That would be my guess
He did the Federalists' bidding, they know he's a hot mess and he won't go away on his own, but he loves money... they support Haley....I don't know, just throwing out an option. Something is going on. And he can't pardon himself in the NY and GA case.
That is entirely possible. Trump loves few things more than making a rival not just kiss the ring, but work in a powerless position under his thumb. I'm sure they would be calculating that this would bring over her voters, but holy hell I hope that doesn't happen.
Maybe. I just can't see him giving her that kind of prize after she sort-of kind-of stood up against him for those 37 hours or whatever. He's too damn vindictive. He might pretend he's considering her just to see how much farther she will debase herself (hint: there is no limit) and how much he can publicly humiliate her for his amusement. And while he knows he must win to keep ensure all the other cases (except GA) against him are dropped, I think his smallness and pettiness will win in the end.
I can’t see him making her veep either, but as you say, he is vindictive and petty. I can see him inviting her for a little private candlelit tete-a-tete like he did with Mitt Romney, release a photo of it, and bleat, “Little Nimirata will never have the stuff to Make America Great Again. She can put on her high heeled shoes and keep walking; if she tries kicking, she’ll just fall down”.
I dunno... Pence has no career after being a VP. Trump can make whomever is in that role handle every toxic thing he doesn't want to touch. He could make being a VP hell. The last one was almost hung, I can only imagine what nightmare awaits the next.
Pence has no career now because, god bless him, he made one right decision at the time it mattered most. Haley will do or say ANYTIHING it takes to get in good with t**** if she thinks it will mean further relevance.
What awaits the next Trump VP? Perhaps "Ascension to POTUS by Holy Moly Hamburger"? Or perhaps replacement of Trump before the election due to trial results?
But which trial results, Doug? The major ones (Jan 6th - stealing the election - and holding classified docs/obstructing justice) or the one going on now, falsification of business records in order to conceal damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters? None of the legal experts I follow thinks the first two of the three will get to a verdict before the election.
Do you think a guilty conviction in that third case could get him replaced?
I was thinking of the "least important" one (as if falsifying hush money payments to conceal information necessary for a fair election is a minor deal -- ha!), that is, the NY trial going on now.
I've followed the transcripts of the trial (my father was a court reporter, so I know all about those daily transcripts, which I sometimes helped him proofread), and the evidence is convincing to me, and the prosecution's narrative is finely woven with the hard evidence and witness testimony.
How the actual jury heard all that, and how they will discuss and decide their verdict is, of course, "a mystery within a riddle wrapped in an enigma." We'll find out within a week or two, and that verdict may prove to be at least one point for accountability, even if it doesn't sway any swing voters.
SCOTUS is holding up the two federal trials with their delay of releasing their "absolute immunity" decision (so, those trials may not be held before the election); and Judge Eileen Cannon is slowing down the classified doc/obstruction cases, as you noted, so that may not begin either. Those trials really do matter in so many ways -- alas! The Georgia trial is also very important, with hard evidence and strong witnesses, but who knows when that will begin. Good luck DA Willis and prosecutors.
The J6th trial was the one that I had hoped would begin this summer because of its extreme importance to preserving our Constitution and the "peaceful transfer of power." Yet, SCOTUS (not *all* of SCOTUS, of course) has essentially given Trump the free pass and the "absolute immunity" for his crimes anyway by delaying their decision.
Now, Trump really is sounding more deranged at his rallies, so I am hoping there may be at least some falling off the bandwagon (even as Nikki Haley so opportunistically hops on it) before November (Generals of the former administration, please, please, come forward!). If justice cannot be served by election day in the courts, then perhaps the voters will do their part to make sure justice is served at the ballot box.
But cults are so hard to crack; cult members cling to their leader and his power right up to their final swig from the Styrofoam cups of Kool-Aid passed around. So, who knows how many of them will escape from this cult with their "lives" (that is, their ability to think independently and to recognize BS and propaganda when they hear/see it) before election day? Whenever I see them interviewed, my compassion strains to its limits for them, for their... delusions? angers? fears? I wish them well, and hope with all my heart that they (especially those in PA, AZ, NV, MI, and WI!) *can* escape from this one -- for all our sakes.
Re the NY trial, I am following lawyers, some of whom have been in the courtroom, who read the transcripts (meidastouch.com and Andrew Weissman). I don't know how you can get all that reading in!
Here's my take: It all comes down to whether the jury believes Michael Cohen that Trump knew of the scheme. If I were on that jury (and I've been on over 10 in my lifetime), I would say if you don't believe Cohen, it doesn't make sense that Cohen would pay Daniels on his own, and point to all the evidence the prosecution presented, like Trump watches every penny.
There's too much evidence for an acquittal. I've never been an a jury that couldn't reach a verdict, but Elie Honig said yesterday that about 5-10% of juries hang. So I think conviction is more likely, but no one can predict a jury.
Re the cult members - from what I've read, it's a small minority who can be retrieved, but it could be enough to tip the 50/50 divide we are in now.
Yes, I follow Andrew Weissman's commentary, too. I'm so glad he is given the airtime on MSNBC to help out with legal analysis. As to my reading *all* the transcripts.... I've afraid I misstated that level of intensity. Skimming plays a major part in how much time I devote to them.
My experience with juries has been similar to yours, although it consists of only three completed ones. Two civil trials and one criminal trial. The civil trials had little debate needed. What I took from all three was how serious everyone took the task. It's given me reason to believe that the NY jury will take the job seriously as well and not be divided by partisanship. Of course, we are talking about a totally different case and potential for strong emotions/biases over-riding that sense of responsibility to maintain strict attention to the facts of the case all the jurors I've known have.
I like your idea that there may be just enough of the Trump true believers who will reject the propaganda they have so far been willing to swallow whole and tip the balance in Biden's favor.
We are all capable of those sudden "epiphanies" that end our misconceptions and help us view reality a little more clearly.
Re Weissman, I listen to his podcast with Mary McCord. It's an hour long (with ads I can fast forward through), so I get much more analysis and more in depth than on cable news. It's called "Prosecuting Donald Trump."
Whoever his veep is cannot imagine what degradations are going to be asked of them if they get the office. Pence had it easy compared with what they’re going to have to excuse and the actions they’ll be expected to undertake.
I’m a “Haley Republican” in NY. She’s delusional if she thought she was getting our votes because we were in love with her. She was getting them because she’s not Donald Trump.
She could’ve gone forward with honor and dignity and possibly earned our love and respect, but no one is surprised that she caved.
She’s without a party now in a smaller place than Liz Cheney. I hope she doesn’t expect MAGALand to welcome her back. They don’t even trust Stefanik and Graham.
I like all of you comments. Well put.
But wow. They don't trust Stefanik and Graham? Do you have some credible reporting on that you can point me to?
Pure opinion. I see people attacking Stefanik on Twitter for insufficient MAGAness. There was a news article some time back in NYT or WaPo that indicated she wasn’t getting Veep because she wasn’t trustworthy.
I may be wrong. 😅
OK, thx for letting me know it's your opirion. You might think about prefacing your statements with, "I may be wrong, but . . . " It sounded to me like it was a fact.
Maybe they can take the oath of Omertà and clear it all up.
Same here. I voted for her in the Indiana GOP primary only because she wasn't Donald Trump. I didn't trust that she wouldn't stab us Never Trumpers in the back. Sure enough the minute I started believing she was actually sincere in what she was saying, she brings out the knife and stabs us again.
No, Nikki. We don’t.
https://youtu.be/rl_NpdAy3WY?si=d93Ua2cxXX2KYQ9o
I remember that speech! It almost killed her career.
I cannot let go of the idea that this is simply the first step in a series of steps where she is named VP pick. The MAGA faithful will embrace whoever he names, and she will allow "normies" to pull the R lever without a problem. Trump knows that he must win--it's existential, and he will do whatever it takes to get there.
Agree it's existential. If his internal polling shows Haley gives him the win, he'll find a way to "fuhget" - as they say in Queens - about her disloyalty.
Maybe this is her cleverest way to keep her campaign promise to ‘pardon’ him if elected. And if somehow he decides to resign, you know, because of late stage dementia or whatever his current stage dementia represents, she can offer an additional ‘Gerald Ford special’ as he heads to the rest home.
He won’t ask her because she’s a non-white woman and she wasn’t loyal.
He’s big on loyalty.
He LOVES it when people oppose him then grovel to try to get back in his good graces. Stefanik, JD Vance, Vivek, and Tim Scott all spoke out against Trump and are on the VP short list. Nikki didn't grovel enough. I do think he will pick a woman or a minority.
I think he knows MAGA wouldn’t like either one of those, much less a combo pack.
Plus, how will they go after our VP?
I agree. The powers that be (Leo Leonard, Koch $$$) after the election ( if Trump Haley ticket wins) will push Trump out with a pardon and money, and Haley will select Romney as VP. VOTE BLUE.
The president has the pardon power. How does that work? He pardons himself and resigns?
I figured he'd "resign" due to health reason, get pardoned and paid off. I guarantee you they have a plan. The Federalist Society etc are just using the MAGA-svere to accomplish their goals. That would be my guess
But Karen, why does he need to resign when he can tell the DOJ to drop both of Jack Smith's cases and won't need a pardon?
He did the Federalists' bidding, they know he's a hot mess and he won't go away on his own, but he loves money... they support Haley....I don't know, just throwing out an option. Something is going on. And he can't pardon himself in the NY and GA case.
That is entirely possible. Trump loves few things more than making a rival not just kiss the ring, but work in a powerless position under his thumb. I'm sure they would be calculating that this would bring over her voters, but holy hell I hope that doesn't happen.
Maybe. I just can't see him giving her that kind of prize after she sort-of kind-of stood up against him for those 37 hours or whatever. He's too damn vindictive. He might pretend he's considering her just to see how much farther she will debase herself (hint: there is no limit) and how much he can publicly humiliate her for his amusement. And while he knows he must win to keep ensure all the other cases (except GA) against him are dropped, I think his smallness and pettiness will win in the end.
Well argued, Kathi. I can see it.
I can’t see him making her veep either, but as you say, he is vindictive and petty. I can see him inviting her for a little private candlelit tete-a-tete like he did with Mitt Romney, release a photo of it, and bleat, “Little Nimirata will never have the stuff to Make America Great Again. She can put on her high heeled shoes and keep walking; if she tries kicking, she’ll just fall down”.
Absolutey, Linda.
I dunno... Pence has no career after being a VP. Trump can make whomever is in that role handle every toxic thing he doesn't want to touch. He could make being a VP hell. The last one was almost hung, I can only imagine what nightmare awaits the next.
Pence has no career now because, god bless him, he made one right decision at the time it mattered most. Haley will do or say ANYTIHING it takes to get in good with t**** if she thinks it will mean further relevance.
What awaits the next Trump VP? Perhaps "Ascension to POTUS by Holy Moly Hamburger"? Or perhaps replacement of Trump before the election due to trial results?
Holy Moly Hamburger. Like that!
But which trial results, Doug? The major ones (Jan 6th - stealing the election - and holding classified docs/obstructing justice) or the one going on now, falsification of business records in order to conceal damaging information and unlawful activity from American voters? None of the legal experts I follow thinks the first two of the three will get to a verdict before the election.
Do you think a guilty conviction in that third case could get him replaced?
I was thinking of the "least important" one (as if falsifying hush money payments to conceal information necessary for a fair election is a minor deal -- ha!), that is, the NY trial going on now.
I've followed the transcripts of the trial (my father was a court reporter, so I know all about those daily transcripts, which I sometimes helped him proofread), and the evidence is convincing to me, and the prosecution's narrative is finely woven with the hard evidence and witness testimony.
How the actual jury heard all that, and how they will discuss and decide their verdict is, of course, "a mystery within a riddle wrapped in an enigma." We'll find out within a week or two, and that verdict may prove to be at least one point for accountability, even if it doesn't sway any swing voters.
SCOTUS is holding up the two federal trials with their delay of releasing their "absolute immunity" decision (so, those trials may not be held before the election); and Judge Eileen Cannon is slowing down the classified doc/obstruction cases, as you noted, so that may not begin either. Those trials really do matter in so many ways -- alas! The Georgia trial is also very important, with hard evidence and strong witnesses, but who knows when that will begin. Good luck DA Willis and prosecutors.
The J6th trial was the one that I had hoped would begin this summer because of its extreme importance to preserving our Constitution and the "peaceful transfer of power." Yet, SCOTUS (not *all* of SCOTUS, of course) has essentially given Trump the free pass and the "absolute immunity" for his crimes anyway by delaying their decision.
Now, Trump really is sounding more deranged at his rallies, so I am hoping there may be at least some falling off the bandwagon (even as Nikki Haley so opportunistically hops on it) before November (Generals of the former administration, please, please, come forward!). If justice cannot be served by election day in the courts, then perhaps the voters will do their part to make sure justice is served at the ballot box.
But cults are so hard to crack; cult members cling to their leader and his power right up to their final swig from the Styrofoam cups of Kool-Aid passed around. So, who knows how many of them will escape from this cult with their "lives" (that is, their ability to think independently and to recognize BS and propaganda when they hear/see it) before election day? Whenever I see them interviewed, my compassion strains to its limits for them, for their... delusions? angers? fears? I wish them well, and hope with all my heart that they (especially those in PA, AZ, NV, MI, and WI!) *can* escape from this one -- for all our sakes.
Re the NY trial, I am following lawyers, some of whom have been in the courtroom, who read the transcripts (meidastouch.com and Andrew Weissman). I don't know how you can get all that reading in!
Here's my take: It all comes down to whether the jury believes Michael Cohen that Trump knew of the scheme. If I were on that jury (and I've been on over 10 in my lifetime), I would say if you don't believe Cohen, it doesn't make sense that Cohen would pay Daniels on his own, and point to all the evidence the prosecution presented, like Trump watches every penny.
There's too much evidence for an acquittal. I've never been an a jury that couldn't reach a verdict, but Elie Honig said yesterday that about 5-10% of juries hang. So I think conviction is more likely, but no one can predict a jury.
Re the cult members - from what I've read, it's a small minority who can be retrieved, but it could be enough to tip the 50/50 divide we are in now.
Yes, I follow Andrew Weissman's commentary, too. I'm so glad he is given the airtime on MSNBC to help out with legal analysis. As to my reading *all* the transcripts.... I've afraid I misstated that level of intensity. Skimming plays a major part in how much time I devote to them.
My experience with juries has been similar to yours, although it consists of only three completed ones. Two civil trials and one criminal trial. The civil trials had little debate needed. What I took from all three was how serious everyone took the task. It's given me reason to believe that the NY jury will take the job seriously as well and not be divided by partisanship. Of course, we are talking about a totally different case and potential for strong emotions/biases over-riding that sense of responsibility to maintain strict attention to the facts of the case all the jurors I've known have.
I like your idea that there may be just enough of the Trump true believers who will reject the propaganda they have so far been willing to swallow whole and tip the balance in Biden's favor.
We are all capable of those sudden "epiphanies" that end our misconceptions and help us view reality a little more clearly.
Re Weissman, I listen to his podcast with Mary McCord. It's an hour long (with ads I can fast forward through), so I get much more analysis and more in depth than on cable news. It's called "Prosecuting Donald Trump."
I'll add that old joke about people being able to change:
How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
Only one: but the light bulb has got to want to change.
Oh, yes, indeed. I admire and learn from both!
Whoever his veep is cannot imagine what degradations are going to be asked of them if they get the office. Pence had it easy compared with what they’re going to have to excuse and the actions they’ll be expected to undertake.
Completely agree. And Haley won't have the Evangelical base to put any kind of brakes on that degradation by Trump.
The white evangelical base is not putting on any kind of brakes now. Just listen to Mike Johnson and his poison delivered with honey.
Indeed!