Awesome discussion except the somewhat terrifying turn towards the end (but it forced me to look up the phrase “‘Katy bar the door”….so there’s that)
One issue that I think is worth commenting on is Sarah’s claim that some Republican voters might view Trump’s statements about a stolen election as similar to Stacey Abrams’ just as many of …
Awesome discussion except the somewhat terrifying turn towards the end (but it forced me to look up the phrase “‘Katy bar the door”….so there’s that)
One issue that I think is worth commenting on is Sarah’s claim that some Republican voters might view Trump’s statements about a stolen election as similar to Stacey Abrams’ just as many of them view the DOJ’s investigation of Hilary Clinton’s emails as similar to Trump’s storing boxes of classified info at Mar-a-Lago. She says that while in each case, there are superficial similarities, the “context and style” of the allegations are very different/. I agree. But I think the differences are much more significant than just “context and style”.
The things Trump did, he did as the former President and current de facto leader of the Republican Party so the consequences and long-term effects of his actions are much more dangerous.
I don’t know that much about the Abrams election but even if she was completely wrong for not conceding immediately and implying that certain factors resulted in an “unfair” election, nothing she did or said caused Democrats in Georgia to try and forcibly overturn the election or caused them to believe that any future election they didn’t win would, by default, be illegitimate.
It was clearly wrong for Clinton to store sensitive government info on a private server (though I think her actions were more negligent than intentional obstruction). Still I don’t remember Democrats being so incensed over the FBI probe of her mishandling of documents that they sent death threats to FBI inspectors or implied that violence would ensue if she were to be prosecuted.
Forgotten too often in the email mess is the fact that Jared and Ivanka used their personal email servers for government work, such as it was. Trump used an unsecured, personal cell phone(s) for midnight calls to Hannity and God knows who else. Oh, today, with Trump's meltdown in PA - "how dare Biden call us names", completely ignoring the fact that Trump had just called Barr! a RINO, among other names. Trump spent his entire presidency calling people names, including those who worked for him.
Awesome discussion except the somewhat terrifying turn towards the end (but it forced me to look up the phrase “‘Katy bar the door”….so there’s that)
One issue that I think is worth commenting on is Sarah’s claim that some Republican voters might view Trump’s statements about a stolen election as similar to Stacey Abrams’ just as many of them view the DOJ’s investigation of Hilary Clinton’s emails as similar to Trump’s storing boxes of classified info at Mar-a-Lago. She says that while in each case, there are superficial similarities, the “context and style” of the allegations are very different/. I agree. But I think the differences are much more significant than just “context and style”.
The things Trump did, he did as the former President and current de facto leader of the Republican Party so the consequences and long-term effects of his actions are much more dangerous.
I don’t know that much about the Abrams election but even if she was completely wrong for not conceding immediately and implying that certain factors resulted in an “unfair” election, nothing she did or said caused Democrats in Georgia to try and forcibly overturn the election or caused them to believe that any future election they didn’t win would, by default, be illegitimate.
It was clearly wrong for Clinton to store sensitive government info on a private server (though I think her actions were more negligent than intentional obstruction). Still I don’t remember Democrats being so incensed over the FBI probe of her mishandling of documents that they sent death threats to FBI inspectors or implied that violence would ensue if she were to be prosecuted.
Consequences matter.
Forgotten too often in the email mess is the fact that Jared and Ivanka used their personal email servers for government work, such as it was. Trump used an unsecured, personal cell phone(s) for midnight calls to Hannity and God knows who else. Oh, today, with Trump's meltdown in PA - "how dare Biden call us names", completely ignoring the fact that Trump had just called Barr! a RINO, among other names. Trump spent his entire presidency calling people names, including those who worked for him.
Wait…are you implying Trump and his supporters might be coming off as being <gasp> *hypocritical* in their accusations? ;)