I loved the factual rebuttal of Trump's lies from an elected Dem. We also need rhetorical counter punch to Trump's bully vibes. I wish I could see some people react to Trump that would just straight up humiliate Trump, because at this point there are still undecided voters that are not convinced by measured reactions.
I hate it, but I don't want to lose my country while having very stern conversations trudging along on the high road.
These trans ads are brutal. They are everywhere. Ii think they are incredibly effective and honestly Trump could only run those ads until election day and do well.
Why isn't Harris / Dems taking this on? Seems like they're hoping people don't believe it. But I promise you they do think Kamala is giving undocumented aliens sex change surgery with tax payer dollars.
You're telling me no democratic strategist can come up with a counter message? How about kick them all out of the room, find some rural common folk progressives to come up with an argument that will work.
1. I seriously live 1.5 miles from the apartment complex that brought this whole story to light (Colorado connection, Tim 😉). Not a single person is avoiding going through that area because no one perceives an increase in crime, much less an international gang takeover.
2. He better not be coming for Polis! Polis is pretty much universally respected, even some of the people that are Trumpers will admit it. He treads a good line in a DIVERSE state like Colorado.
3. Get down! Shots fired!! Tim went gunning for Crenshaw!!! Applause for getting him STAMMERING trying to hang onto the one and only line he could morally stand behind (how did you feel in 2017-2019 vs 2021-2024). He had no points, what a weak pirate to end up groveling at Trumps feet 😂😂😂
4. I’m ready to give my advice to the Harris ticket: say wild sh*t!
Trump’s people are the type of people that like watching a guy get kicked in the nards. They actually respected Kamala when she said:
-say it to my face
-lethal military
-unserious man
-weird
-I’d shot ‘em
She needs some stinging jabs, heck, Polis knows this… he talked about him being INSANE, cognitive decline; Kinzinger knows this… he talks about him wearing a DIAPER; Kimmel knows this… he name calls Trump like crazy, it’s hilarious, and then Trump actually engages back because he has no self control!… TRUMPY CAT, past your jail time. These are good jabs that Trump is embarrassed to take.
Just start giving it to him already. Boring rallies was great! Flip the line Trump used on Biden, “I don’t even know if he knows what he was talking about.” Combine that line with pity that he doesn’t know the difference between a conspiracy or truth… he’s lost the cognitive ability to understand whether what he says is true or absolutely provable nonsense; that’s why he so easily duped by Putin’s scams and baits.
Talk about how he’s a dolt and she’s an actual adult. People laugh as him and his obsession about having a smaller crowd than Obama. If this is a vibes campaign, rule the vibes; make him look dumb… let that enrage him and then goad him into saying something even more outlandish… FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!! EXPOSE HIS GREATEST WEAKNESS: HIS FRAGILE EGO. Do what Tim did to Crenshaw; rattle him, get him stammering, he’ll start melting down the more people laugh at him.
Thanks for this, @timodc. As a native Denverite (East High, Class of 1972) the whole Aurora thing really frosts me. P.S., next time you are home, swing by Voodoo Donuts on East Colfax. I'm buying.
Ultimate frisbee masters nationals is in Aurora every year.
Not there for very long, but I've never seen a well-armed, roving gang of Venezuelans. I don't know a player who ever has. Figure I'd probably hear about it. Not the sort of thing people hush up about.
Listing to you and Jared reminding me of an aspect of the Trump tariffs that I don't think gets enough attention (and admittedly it's secondary or tertiary to the inflationary impact) is the mixing of tariffs with Trump's penchant for authoritarianism and punishing enemies and rewarding allies...imagine impacted businesses coming before the king asking for the inevitable exception from tariffs for their company.....the inevitable corruption and resultant picking of winners and losers by ONE man should make every ALLEGED conservative's head explode. He'd LOVE and abuse that sort of power and there'd be zero legal consequences for it and tragic impact on our economy. Would that argument help sway any of those "gettable" Republicans/independents or would they have the failure of imagination and/or just say that's TDS thinking?
thanks...and imagine the market volatility / instability for those companies impacted by tariffs and the game of speculation of will they or won't they get an exception and how much...
Trump will be speaking about 10 minutes from my home in Aurora today to talk about how Venezuelans like my wife are supposedly "destroying" my city. I get to spend the afternoon on the way home from work in I-70 traffic stuck behind MAGA assholes going to see him talk about this bullshit. Great start to my weekend, let me tell ya.
I was glad my daily drive kept me on the North and West sides of the Denver metro. Somewhat enjoyed tfg’s local supporters admitting on local tv (including the local fox station) that Aurora is not a war zone and the claim is bs, but still find it sad that doesn’t dissuade them at all from their devotion.
Me too. :( I live in the western part of this metro area.
I've gone further and decided to make this a litmus test with relatives. If they hear promises of a military crackdown on metro Denver and think "hellz yeah", they can get out of my life (and my family's) and stay out.
I probably should cool it and not make a thing out of it, but fuck it. I've had enough with authoritarian threats driven by lies, and people in my life who've never even seen my home state (let alone Aurora) cheering it on.
Thank you, Tim! You gotta enjoy checking in on your old sod. CO is such a fantastic place, first visited as a teenager in 1970, later had a college friend who moved there & provided place to crash for visits in 1980s, now have relatives living there since turn of the century.
Sure appreciate Gov. Polis speaking candidly about the damage being done by the Divider-in-Chief. He was pretty diplomatic. The balancing act between wanting to speak up for one's constituents, one's home VS not giving more megaphone to the menace... tough spot for an actual leader. Polis did better than, oh I dunno, Governors DeWine, Kemp, DeSantis. How is it NOT disqualifying to run for prez on a platform of directing negative attention to random locations in the great country one seeks to lead? ...rhetorically asking. I know the answers, I've read your book, & Stuart Stevens, & Tom Nichols, & Tim Snyder...
I loved the factual rebuttal of Trump's lies from an elected Dem. We also need rhetorical counter punch to Trump's bully vibes. I wish I could see some people react to Trump that would just straight up humiliate Trump, because at this point there are still undecided voters that are not convinced by measured reactions.
I hate it, but I don't want to lose my country while having very stern conversations trudging along on the high road.
Tim! Can you please discuss this!
These trans ads are brutal. They are everywhere. Ii think they are incredibly effective and honestly Trump could only run those ads until election day and do well.
Why isn't Harris / Dems taking this on? Seems like they're hoping people don't believe it. But I promise you they do think Kamala is giving undocumented aliens sex change surgery with tax payer dollars.
You're telling me no democratic strategist can come up with a counter message? How about kick them all out of the room, find some rural common folk progressives to come up with an argument that will work.
1. I seriously live 1.5 miles from the apartment complex that brought this whole story to light (Colorado connection, Tim 😉). Not a single person is avoiding going through that area because no one perceives an increase in crime, much less an international gang takeover.
2. He better not be coming for Polis! Polis is pretty much universally respected, even some of the people that are Trumpers will admit it. He treads a good line in a DIVERSE state like Colorado.
3. Get down! Shots fired!! Tim went gunning for Crenshaw!!! Applause for getting him STAMMERING trying to hang onto the one and only line he could morally stand behind (how did you feel in 2017-2019 vs 2021-2024). He had no points, what a weak pirate to end up groveling at Trumps feet 😂😂😂
4. I’m ready to give my advice to the Harris ticket: say wild sh*t!
Trump’s people are the type of people that like watching a guy get kicked in the nards. They actually respected Kamala when she said:
-say it to my face
-lethal military
-unserious man
-weird
-I’d shot ‘em
She needs some stinging jabs, heck, Polis knows this… he talked about him being INSANE, cognitive decline; Kinzinger knows this… he talks about him wearing a DIAPER; Kimmel knows this… he name calls Trump like crazy, it’s hilarious, and then Trump actually engages back because he has no self control!… TRUMPY CAT, past your jail time. These are good jabs that Trump is embarrassed to take.
Just start giving it to him already. Boring rallies was great! Flip the line Trump used on Biden, “I don’t even know if he knows what he was talking about.” Combine that line with pity that he doesn’t know the difference between a conspiracy or truth… he’s lost the cognitive ability to understand whether what he says is true or absolutely provable nonsense; that’s why he so easily duped by Putin’s scams and baits.
Talk about how he’s a dolt and she’s an actual adult. People laugh as him and his obsession about having a smaller crowd than Obama. If this is a vibes campaign, rule the vibes; make him look dumb… let that enrage him and then goad him into saying something even more outlandish… FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!! EXPOSE HIS GREATEST WEAKNESS: HIS FRAGILE EGO. Do what Tim did to Crenshaw; rattle him, get him stammering, he’ll start melting down the more people laugh at him.
Feels to me like Polis is giving Trump way too much “air”. Why doesn’t Polis speak more forcefully about the lies regarding Aurora?
I could feel my blood pressure dropping as I listened to Gov. Polis making sensible, coherent points. Thank you.
One more thing. You mentioned Regis. In 1968 I saw Jimi Hendrix at the Regis College Fieldhouse. Tickets cost $3. https://www.facebook.com/HistoryColorado/photos/on-this-day-in-1968-the-jimi-hendrix-experience-performed-a-set-at-red-rocks-ear/10158377814036285/
https://www.jimihendrix.com/concert-broadcast/regis-college-fieldhouse-2141968/
OK, Old White Guy Shuts Up Now. Sorry.
Thanks for this, @timodc. As a native Denverite (East High, Class of 1972) the whole Aurora thing really frosts me. P.S., next time you are home, swing by Voodoo Donuts on East Colfax. I'm buying.
Ultimate frisbee masters nationals is in Aurora every year.
Not there for very long, but I've never seen a well-armed, roving gang of Venezuelans. I don't know a player who ever has. Figure I'd probably hear about it. Not the sort of thing people hush up about.
Some cool restaurants, though.
Listing to you and Jared reminding me of an aspect of the Trump tariffs that I don't think gets enough attention (and admittedly it's secondary or tertiary to the inflationary impact) is the mixing of tariffs with Trump's penchant for authoritarianism and punishing enemies and rewarding allies...imagine impacted businesses coming before the king asking for the inevitable exception from tariffs for their company.....the inevitable corruption and resultant picking of winners and losers by ONE man should make every ALLEGED conservative's head explode. He'd LOVE and abuse that sort of power and there'd be zero legal consequences for it and tragic impact on our economy. Would that argument help sway any of those "gettable" Republicans/independents or would they have the failure of imagination and/or just say that's TDS thinking?
Very insightful.
thanks...and imagine the market volatility / instability for those companies impacted by tariffs and the game of speculation of will they or won't they get an exception and how much...
Trump will be speaking about 10 minutes from my home in Aurora today to talk about how Venezuelans like my wife are supposedly "destroying" my city. I get to spend the afternoon on the way home from work in I-70 traffic stuck behind MAGA assholes going to see him talk about this bullshit. Great start to my weekend, let me tell ya.
I was glad my daily drive kept me on the North and West sides of the Denver metro. Somewhat enjoyed tfg’s local supporters admitting on local tv (including the local fox station) that Aurora is not a war zone and the claim is bs, but still find it sad that doesn’t dissuade them at all from their devotion.
Me too. :( I live in the western part of this metro area.
I've gone further and decided to make this a litmus test with relatives. If they hear promises of a military crackdown on metro Denver and think "hellz yeah", they can get out of my life (and my family's) and stay out.
I probably should cool it and not make a thing out of it, but fuck it. I've had enough with authoritarian threats driven by lies, and people in my life who've never even seen my home state (let alone Aurora) cheering it on.
Thank you, Tim! You gotta enjoy checking in on your old sod. CO is such a fantastic place, first visited as a teenager in 1970, later had a college friend who moved there & provided place to crash for visits in 1980s, now have relatives living there since turn of the century.
Sure appreciate Gov. Polis speaking candidly about the damage being done by the Divider-in-Chief. He was pretty diplomatic. The balancing act between wanting to speak up for one's constituents, one's home VS not giving more megaphone to the menace... tough spot for an actual leader. Polis did better than, oh I dunno, Governors DeWine, Kemp, DeSantis. How is it NOT disqualifying to run for prez on a platform of directing negative attention to random locations in the great country one seeks to lead? ...rhetorically asking. I know the answers, I've read your book, & Stuart Stevens, & Tom Nichols, & Tim Snyder...