Bill: "One must conclude, four years after, that January 6th succeeded."
Only because the voters allowed it to. If the voters were good people, Trump would have been wiped off the face of the planet after his attempted coup. We now know that the voters *aren't* good people
Bill: "One must conclude, four years after, that January 6th succeeded."
Only because the voters allowed it to. If the voters were good people, Trump would have been wiped off the face of the planet after his attempted coup. We now know that the voters *aren't* good people
Not only FOX "News" kept the GOP message machine going. Other news outlets reported daily on whatever was going on with TFG. I thought Jan 21, 2021 we would stop hearing every 3 minutes whatever came from that dying brain.
Most who voted for Trump this time are not evil. They are technically "drug addicts," whether their "drug" is toxic idol worship, extreme paranoia of "the left" fed by their misinformation bubble, or both. But many, including the ones to whom they handed unearned power, are "drug pushers," and indeed evil.
I think that a good number of these lost souls are just wannabe bullies that have no heroes besides the hefty gent. If they wish to bully people... They ARE evil.
I wholeheartdely agree with you. But my daily travels proves most people that vote for this stuff are mostly good in their own lives. They just dont know and are uncurious about history and civics in general. So they dont see what you and I see. They are still in the cave, staring at shadows on the wall and refuse to come out. This is all about to go down exactly as Ann Applebaum (pardon my spelling Ann) describes it. This, has taken root and we will not be the ones to witness its end. The next generation perhaps.
Of course voters are led by the info-tainment of the right wing media circus. Fox to be sure but just turn on your car radio during the day and look at all the right wing talk shows.
Perhaps, Terry, but the way I look at it these voters have a choice in terms of media consumption. And they choose to seek information that conforms to their views.
Or as Grand Theft Auto V's "Weasel News" puts it, "confirming your prejudices".
I think both Terry and Tim are right and both are true. Which presses upon my choice in the word curious. They are reaching for what is easiest. For some, its the knob on the work van radio. For others, its their facebook feed. Sophistication in your media consumption is work. It is both the downward spiral in local news combined with cord cutting of legacy media that has brought us to the "knob choice". Now, a person that is both unserious about their politics and lazy about their media choice (but votes out of tradition or fanaticism) can blame their own shortcomings on "the fake media". It gives them an out. It would be a wise choice to take our case to the radio airwaves.
Sorry but I live in a working class town. So guys with work vans parked in front of 100 year old 2 family houses. While I understand what it means to look for news that confirms ones prejudices (and I am in my 70s, well educated and worked in business) I doubt many workers are. I see hard working folks - the men spend the day driving from job site to job site. I doubt they tune into NPR. In my area (NYC media market) they no doubt listen to sports or conservative talk, so 660 am, 880 am or 710 am. or 770 am. These frequencies were once flagship radio for NBC, CBS, WOR and ABC. Now they are sports or conservative talk. And when they get home - well there is no local newspaper that they can read in the evening. (WOR was RKO media).
Terry, I didn't know who guys like Tom Nichols, Rick Wilson, or Charlie Sykes were until I got on Twitter. And from there, I was introduced to Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and JVL. We all have options when it comes to what we read, watch, or listen to. There is a lot that Sarah says, for example, that I disagree with when it comes to the nature of the electorate -- she thinks voters can be persuaded with the right message whereas I think the median voter is a moron -- but she's making a good faith argument with the best of intentions. If one of these guys with work vans that you describe has a media diet of Sean Hannity and Joe Rogan, that is willful sequestration from the rest of the world and a conscious choice to not challenge their own thinking.
I hear there is this new invention called the internet. You can search for stuff and whole articles come up. I hear CBS, NBC, ABC and all of the other legacy media sources are there. They are CHOOSING to be ignorant.
I tend to agree. I work in a factory in SW Va. I overhear people saying the stupidest sh*t all day every day that you know they got off FB or some right-wing "news" site. I try not to engage, both for my sanity and because I'm in "leadership", but one of my friends does. He's had multiple convos with one guy in particular about how the guy can't wait until CFT gets back in so the price of gas will go down since Biden was making it higher. My friend tells this guy over and over, this doesn't make any sense. The president has no (or very little) control over the price of gas and furthermore, WHY? WHY would he want gas prices to be high? How did high gas prices help Joe Biden, exactly?? The guy just looks at him blankly, then pivots to some other ridiculous talking point. You absolutely cannot get through to some of them with facts. And I don't know what that leaves you with, aside from a 2nd t**** presidency and his clown car of a cabinet.
Sorry to see a snarky comment instead of a serious look for what is so.
If in a work van - and by the way, using your phone as a gPS also for texts and calls from customers - my plumber does it this way, the car radio is very much the tool to use. This is not a debate. Next time you need a plumber or electrician, see what they use. The phone is used for GPS and texts or calls. The radio is still very much the tool they favor for entertainment.
This is why everyone should gift me my own radio show. Elites, bend the knee to me!!
Did that work? Sigh, I guess I'll get back to working for a living.
I am being snarky but the point stands that there are a lot of people like me being ignored on purpose by radio station owners, who tell people what they want them to hear. The question is why people want to hear American Carnage all the time, and that question brought me here years ago.
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Bill: "One must conclude, four years after, that January 6th succeeded."
Only because the voters allowed it to. If the voters were good people, Trump would have been wiped off the face of the planet after his attempted coup. We now know that the voters *aren't* good people
Not only FOX "News" kept the GOP message machine going. Other news outlets reported daily on whatever was going on with TFG. I thought Jan 21, 2021 we would stop hearing every 3 minutes whatever came from that dying brain.
Most who voted for Trump this time are not evil. They are technically "drug addicts," whether their "drug" is toxic idol worship, extreme paranoia of "the left" fed by their misinformation bubble, or both. But many, including the ones to whom they handed unearned power, are "drug pushers," and indeed evil.
I think that a good number of these lost souls are just wannabe bullies that have no heroes besides the hefty gent. If they wish to bully people... They ARE evil.
They might as well be evil then. What's the difference at the end of the day?
I wholeheartdely agree with you. But my daily travels proves most people that vote for this stuff are mostly good in their own lives. They just dont know and are uncurious about history and civics in general. So they dont see what you and I see. They are still in the cave, staring at shadows on the wall and refuse to come out. This is all about to go down exactly as Ann Applebaum (pardon my spelling Ann) describes it. This, has taken root and we will not be the ones to witness its end. The next generation perhaps.
Not only in a cave, but in a cave with 24/6 Fox News propaganda.
Wont catch me dead in that cave. Lol.
Of course voters are led by the info-tainment of the right wing media circus. Fox to be sure but just turn on your car radio during the day and look at all the right wing talk shows.
Oh my Lord, I turned on my car radio yesterday accidentally and got hit with a large burst of The FBI is Evil!
It's hard for an old Deadhead like me to object to the FBI is Evil. But I can't figure out how the police got hooked on this cultural heroin.
Ashes, ashes, all fall down.
Perhaps, Terry, but the way I look at it these voters have a choice in terms of media consumption. And they choose to seek information that conforms to their views.
Or as Grand Theft Auto V's "Weasel News" puts it, "confirming your prejudices".
I think both Terry and Tim are right and both are true. Which presses upon my choice in the word curious. They are reaching for what is easiest. For some, its the knob on the work van radio. For others, its their facebook feed. Sophistication in your media consumption is work. It is both the downward spiral in local news combined with cord cutting of legacy media that has brought us to the "knob choice". Now, a person that is both unserious about their politics and lazy about their media choice (but votes out of tradition or fanaticism) can blame their own shortcomings on "the fake media". It gives them an out. It would be a wise choice to take our case to the radio airwaves.
Agree Tim. The truth is not that hard to find. ItтАЩs a choice MAGAs are making to tune in to media that massages their random anger.
Sorry but I live in a working class town. So guys with work vans parked in front of 100 year old 2 family houses. While I understand what it means to look for news that confirms ones prejudices (and I am in my 70s, well educated and worked in business) I doubt many workers are. I see hard working folks - the men spend the day driving from job site to job site. I doubt they tune into NPR. In my area (NYC media market) they no doubt listen to sports or conservative talk, so 660 am, 880 am or 710 am. or 770 am. These frequencies were once flagship radio for NBC, CBS, WOR and ABC. Now they are sports or conservative talk. And when they get home - well there is no local newspaper that they can read in the evening. (WOR was RKO media).
Voters are what they are.
Terry, I didn't know who guys like Tom Nichols, Rick Wilson, or Charlie Sykes were until I got on Twitter. And from there, I was introduced to Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and JVL. We all have options when it comes to what we read, watch, or listen to. There is a lot that Sarah says, for example, that I disagree with when it comes to the nature of the electorate -- she thinks voters can be persuaded with the right message whereas I think the median voter is a moron -- but she's making a good faith argument with the best of intentions. If one of these guys with work vans that you describe has a media diet of Sean Hannity and Joe Rogan, that is willful sequestration from the rest of the world and a conscious choice to not challenge their own thinking.
The voters are sheep, and there are a lot of Shepards who love bestiality
I hear there is this new invention called the internet. You can search for stuff and whole articles come up. I hear CBS, NBC, ABC and all of the other legacy media sources are there. They are CHOOSING to be ignorant.
I tend to agree. I work in a factory in SW Va. I overhear people saying the stupidest sh*t all day every day that you know they got off FB or some right-wing "news" site. I try not to engage, both for my sanity and because I'm in "leadership", but one of my friends does. He's had multiple convos with one guy in particular about how the guy can't wait until CFT gets back in so the price of gas will go down since Biden was making it higher. My friend tells this guy over and over, this doesn't make any sense. The president has no (or very little) control over the price of gas and furthermore, WHY? WHY would he want gas prices to be high? How did high gas prices help Joe Biden, exactly?? The guy just looks at him blankly, then pivots to some other ridiculous talking point. You absolutely cannot get through to some of them with facts. And I don't know what that leaves you with, aside from a 2nd t**** presidency and his clown car of a cabinet.
Sorry to see a snarky comment instead of a serious look for what is so.
If in a work van - and by the way, using your phone as a gPS also for texts and calls from customers - my plumber does it this way, the car radio is very much the tool to use. This is not a debate. Next time you need a plumber or electrician, see what they use. The phone is used for GPS and texts or calls. The radio is still very much the tool they favor for entertainment.
This is why everyone should gift me my own radio show. Elites, bend the knee to me!!
Did that work? Sigh, I guess I'll get back to working for a living.
I am being snarky but the point stands that there are a lot of people like me being ignored on purpose by radio station owners, who tell people what they want them to hear. The question is why people want to hear American Carnage all the time, and that question brought me here years ago.
тАжand when they get home? They donтАЩt surf on their phone or watch TV? People chose ignorance. They chose to believe Facebook and Rogan over subject matter experts. No, I donтАЩt buy the тАЬawe shucks, theyтАЩre just kind hearted peopleтАЭ folks want us to give them. TheyтАЩre adults who chose a convicted felon to lead this country. TheyтАЩre complicit in what comes next.