You say Trump does not ascribe to a national abortion ban or limiting the abortion pill. Have you ever heard of Project 2025? These policies are very much within these pages. And since Trump actually has no convictions or policies of his own and is easily led, usually by the last person to have his ear, you are the only person who thinks these policies would not be enacted.
You say Trump does not ascribe to a national abortion ban or limiting the abortion pill. Have you ever heard of Project 2025? These policies are very much within these pages. And since Trump actually has no convictions or policies of his own and is easily led, usually by the last person to have his ear, you are the only person who thinks these policies would not be enacted.
I doubt they will push more federal policies regarding abortion. But they will continue to put only judges that are beyond the Supreme Court ones ideologically.
They will appoint more rogue ones like the guy in Texas that tried to overturn FDA protocol and temporarily banned a common abortion drug.
And of course they will reward states that pass more restrictive laws. The government has ways to funnel more money toward these endeavors.
So while I doubt you will see anything major abortion related legislatively they donтАЩt need to in order to shape the future. Packing lower courts with Aileen Cannon types is far more lasting than any legislation.
You need to get out more. The GOP continue to say that they are trying to get abortion banned nationally. Thomas stated as part of an official ruling that they also go after birth control and gay rights next.
Yeah but talk isn't legislation. With 54+ senators they could try by eliminating the filibuster but I doubt Trump would kill that for abortion he certainly would for other priorities. I'm not sure what "getting out more" has to do with it. 90+% of everything parties say never makes it to law because the threshold is so high.
If you live in reality you know that overturning Roe v. Wade was an inevitability once Trump put his last justice on the Supreme Court. The reality is Trump knows abortion in a second term will never be a priority and they won't have the votes to pass anything federally other than bipartisan milquetoast legislation that Democrats could get behind.
Do you live in the US? Here, Sen Manchin and Sinema said NO to any filibuster reform, and the Dems have 46 Senators and the 4 Independents caucus with them only for committee assignments. It is an outdated rule that was initially put in place to decades after the nation began to help pro-slavery interests.
What scenario do you see them getting passed any sort of national referendum? If it turns out that the abortion issue was an illusion and Republicans gets 57 senate seats and a house majority by 40+ seats then sure. But we both know the abortion issue drive voters to the point where if the Republicans get all three chambers it will be narrow without the votes to move forward.
Judges will be where they focus their attention as well as organizations they can fund through reconciliation which only requires the 50 vote threshold. There will never be 60 votes for national abortion bans in the senate. Numbers matter and it's still a numbers game. For the same reasons Democrats talk about gun buyback programs & banning "assault weapons" but we all know it's messaging that will never turn into passing legislation.
ItтАЩs not clear to me that if they use the Project 2025 plan that they wonтАЩt enact a national abortion ban by executive order. If they get in, I donтАЩt think we can count on them respecting legislative authority or anything else.
No one is talking about any abortion ban federally. Project 2025 makes vague reference to keeping the pill that is already under review banned from being mailed and only allowed to be prescribed in person.
Trump isnтАЩt gonna do any of that because it doesnтАЩt serve his purposes. His base doesnтАЩt care about banning abortion. Trump is content to throw them under the bus anytime he wants.
I think you are underestimating their fixation on controlling womenтАЩs reproductive choices. See JD Vance. What you blithely describe about their plans for mifepristone is a draconian attack on womenтАЩs reproductive health. The guy who headed up Project 2025 and was TrumpтАЩs director of OMB describes reproductive choice as a тАЬsnakeтАЭ strangling the American family and says (in writing) that having children should not be an individual choice but a societal expectation. Attacking womenтАЩs rights is a hallmark of authoritarian governments. These are the people who will make up the senior ranks of his administration. And since they plan on this next election being the last one and on investing the president with massive powers, Trump will not have to care about what women think.
I actually think it's the opposite. As we approach election time these boards are filled with the craziest conspiracies about things the Republicans will do when they don't and won't have the vehicle to do it.
What I said is that they will move away from Amy Coney Barrett quality judges and put in more Aileen Cannon's. That is a realistic move that will on the aggregate have such a bigger effect than messaging legislation. They played the long game to overturn Roe. Within the first 6 months they will get to replace Thomas and Alito and have 5 young justices all appointed by Trump. We can only hope they match the credentials of his previous justices.
But it's the district courts that most of the laws are interpreted. Very few cases are weighed in on by the Supreme Court. And that's where Trump will have latitude to approve the judges that are unqualified as he did with a few back in his first term.
Project 2025 is a thinktank creation that may have some effect on the administration may have none. I personally think Trump won't pass his party to a bunch of fundamentalist idiots that he doesn't need anymore. But even if he does want to implement some of it the constraints he faces will make a national abortion ban under 25 or so weeks impossible.
Abortion falls under the filibuster. Republicans don't have 50 votes to abolish it now and won't following the election. Reconciliation has to be budget issues. So I assume you know this otherwise your statement would indicate a lack of knowledge of voting. If you think Trump is ditching the filibuster for abortion then that's insane. They would probably need to win all 9 senate races they are spending money on which is impossible they will be lucky to win 3 in which case they couldn't even reform the filibuster much the less get rid of it.
Your are so right. Trump has described Project 2025 as the plans for his administration. And heтАЩs the guy who appointed three justices to overturn Roe and brags about it. He said women should be punished for having an abortion. Why anyone would say that Trump doesnтАЩt ascribe to a national abortion ban is beyond me. It strikes me as a disingenuous attempt at тАЬbalance.тАЭ
Action speak louder than words. Trump bragged about appointing the justices that would overturn Wade. The only reason he says heтАЩs against all bans is because he hasnтАЩt won the presidency yet.
That said, should he win, his advisors will be loyal extremists who will execute the most draconian abortion and contraception laws ever enacted in this nation.
Trump says he doesnтАЩt know what Project 2025 is, that Agenda 47 is his policy proposal. Forget the fact that over 140 of TrumpтАЩs former advisors and cabinet members helped draft the sadistic and extremist blueprint; they have been recruiting loyal members of MAGA to apply for jobs. Therefore, IтАЩve enclosed an article that explains what Agenda 47 is. Newsflash: itтАЩs not that different from Project 2025.
Do they need to? They already repealed Roe, and Trump has said heтАЩd enforce the Comstock Act so abortion drugs canтАЩt be shipped across state lines.
You say Trump does not ascribe to a national abortion ban or limiting the abortion pill. Have you ever heard of Project 2025? These policies are very much within these pages. And since Trump actually has no convictions or policies of his own and is easily led, usually by the last person to have his ear, you are the only person who thinks these policies would not be enacted.
I doubt they will push more federal policies regarding abortion. But they will continue to put only judges that are beyond the Supreme Court ones ideologically.
They will appoint more rogue ones like the guy in Texas that tried to overturn FDA protocol and temporarily banned a common abortion drug.
And of course they will reward states that pass more restrictive laws. The government has ways to funnel more money toward these endeavors.
So while I doubt you will see anything major abortion related legislatively they donтАЩt need to in order to shape the future. Packing lower courts with Aileen Cannon types is far more lasting than any legislation.
You need to get out more. The GOP continue to say that they are trying to get abortion banned nationally. Thomas stated as part of an official ruling that they also go after birth control and gay rights next.
Yeah but talk isn't legislation. With 54+ senators they could try by eliminating the filibuster but I doubt Trump would kill that for abortion he certainly would for other priorities. I'm not sure what "getting out more" has to do with it. 90+% of everything parties say never makes it to law because the threshold is so high.
If you live in reality you know that overturning Roe v. Wade was an inevitability once Trump put his last justice on the Supreme Court. The reality is Trump knows abortion in a second term will never be a priority and they won't have the votes to pass anything federally other than bipartisan milquetoast legislation that Democrats could get behind.
Do you live in the US? Here, Sen Manchin and Sinema said NO to any filibuster reform, and the Dems have 46 Senators and the 4 Independents caucus with them only for committee assignments. It is an outdated rule that was initially put in place to decades after the nation began to help pro-slavery interests.
Why would you doubt that? These people are zealots.
What scenario do you see them getting passed any sort of national referendum? If it turns out that the abortion issue was an illusion and Republicans gets 57 senate seats and a house majority by 40+ seats then sure. But we both know the abortion issue drive voters to the point where if the Republicans get all three chambers it will be narrow without the votes to move forward.
Judges will be where they focus their attention as well as organizations they can fund through reconciliation which only requires the 50 vote threshold. There will never be 60 votes for national abortion bans in the senate. Numbers matter and it's still a numbers game. For the same reasons Democrats talk about gun buyback programs & banning "assault weapons" but we all know it's messaging that will never turn into passing legislation.
ItтАЩs not clear to me that if they use the Project 2025 plan that they wonтАЩt enact a national abortion ban by executive order. If they get in, I donтАЩt think we can count on them respecting legislative authority or anything else.
No one is talking about any abortion ban federally. Project 2025 makes vague reference to keeping the pill that is already under review banned from being mailed and only allowed to be prescribed in person.
Trump isnтАЩt gonna do any of that because it doesnтАЩt serve his purposes. His base doesnтАЩt care about banning abortion. Trump is content to throw them under the bus anytime he wants.
How do you know his base doesn't care about banning abortion? That is news to me.
Trump would ban abortion just to own the libs.
I think you are underestimating their fixation on controlling womenтАЩs reproductive choices. See JD Vance. What you blithely describe about their plans for mifepristone is a draconian attack on womenтАЩs reproductive health. The guy who headed up Project 2025 and was TrumpтАЩs director of OMB describes reproductive choice as a тАЬsnakeтАЭ strangling the American family and says (in writing) that having children should not be an individual choice but a societal expectation. Attacking womenтАЩs rights is a hallmark of authoritarian governments. These are the people who will make up the senior ranks of his administration. And since they plan on this next election being the last one and on investing the president with massive powers, Trump will not have to care about what women think.
I actually think it's the opposite. As we approach election time these boards are filled with the craziest conspiracies about things the Republicans will do when they don't and won't have the vehicle to do it.
What I said is that they will move away from Amy Coney Barrett quality judges and put in more Aileen Cannon's. That is a realistic move that will on the aggregate have such a bigger effect than messaging legislation. They played the long game to overturn Roe. Within the first 6 months they will get to replace Thomas and Alito and have 5 young justices all appointed by Trump. We can only hope they match the credentials of his previous justices.
But it's the district courts that most of the laws are interpreted. Very few cases are weighed in on by the Supreme Court. And that's where Trump will have latitude to approve the judges that are unqualified as he did with a few back in his first term.
Project 2025 is a thinktank creation that may have some effect on the administration may have none. I personally think Trump won't pass his party to a bunch of fundamentalist idiots that he doesn't need anymore. But even if he does want to implement some of it the constraints he faces will make a national abortion ban under 25 or so weeks impossible.
They don't need 60 votes in the senate to ban abortion. Only 51.
Abortion falls under the filibuster. Republicans don't have 50 votes to abolish it now and won't following the election. Reconciliation has to be budget issues. So I assume you know this otherwise your statement would indicate a lack of knowledge of voting. If you think Trump is ditching the filibuster for abortion then that's insane. They would probably need to win all 9 senate races they are spending money on which is impossible they will be lucky to win 3 in which case they couldn't even reform the filibuster much the less get rid of it.
Your are so right. Trump has described Project 2025 as the plans for his administration. And heтАЩs the guy who appointed three justices to overturn Roe and brags about it. He said women should be punished for having an abortion. Why anyone would say that Trump doesnтАЩt ascribe to a national abortion ban is beyond me. It strikes me as a disingenuous attempt at тАЬbalance.тАЭ
Action speak louder than words. Trump bragged about appointing the justices that would overturn Wade. The only reason he says heтАЩs against all bans is because he hasnтАЩt won the presidency yet.
That said, should he win, his advisors will be loyal extremists who will execute the most draconian abortion and contraception laws ever enacted in this nation.
Trump says he doesnтАЩt know what Project 2025 is, that Agenda 47 is his policy proposal. Forget the fact that over 140 of TrumpтАЩs former advisors and cabinet members helped draft the sadistic and extremist blueprint; they have been recruiting loyal members of MAGA to apply for jobs. Therefore, IтАЩve enclosed an article that explains what Agenda 47 is. Newsflash: itтАЩs not that different from Project 2025.
Enjoy!тАж:)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/17/trumps-agenda-47-project-2025/74439445007/
Thx for the link. I'll note Agenda 47 doesn't say anything about abortion.
Do they need to? They already repealed Roe, and Trump has said heтАЩd enforce the Comstock Act so abortion drugs canтАЩt be shipped across state lines.
Thank you! Exactly what I was going to say.