I've never understood the belief that God (or anything/anyone) has preordained the exact moment of one's death or, in the vernacular, "When it's your time, it's your time."
If this is true, why do any of us eat healthily, exercise, wear seatbelts and helmets, get yearly physicals and get treatment for illnesses, etc? And do those who believe this do none of those things?
If I knew when I was going to die and that I couldn't change it, I tell ya I'd be having a breakfast of Twix bars right now!
So ... devout Christians don't ever go to the doctor? By that logic I should be able to jump off a building and survive - unless God pre-ordained that I was going to jump off the building at that moment. Which means we must not have free will.
It's almost as if she didn't think this whole thing through.
Believe me when I say I'm very scared. Scared for our democracy and my country and now after reading Joy Pullman's "death is good" Christian essay, I'm terrified. For decades we've been worried about suicide bombers and crazy lunatics with guns and now I have to worry that Christians are a hairsbreadth away from joining them. When did Republicans stop valuing life? It seems to have happened over night or at least over the past 4 years of supporting TFG. Life is still precious to me. It was precious when my beautiful and brilliant 32 year old daughter, who loved her life, died of Hodgkins desease and it's precious every day I wake up and look at my grandsons. Life is precious and so is our democracy.
I'm sorry to hear about your daughter; I can't imagine the heartache. It sounds like she at least she lived a life where she knew a great deal of love. And she left you with parts of herself in her children. May she rest in peace.
As a 2x cancer survivor—I can promise you that you are not thinking about “oh yay I’m gonna die!”—these people have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. Everyone’s all “when it’s my time, it’s my time” as an excuse to be reckless about COVID, but if you told them they had cancer & only a few mos. to live, I am certain that cavalier, lazy, & ignorant attitude would change REAL quickly.
I had recurrent Hodgkin lymphoma & needed a stem cell transplant—while in the middle of medical school—I was not thinking about how lucky I was to die & never finish any of my goals or aspirations. Uniquely imbecilic & vile thing to say.
The perception of death as a good thing is inherent in Christian philosophy/theology. If you are a good Christian and die you go to heaven. This is balanced to a degree through injunctions against self-destruction. The deterministic aspect is a bit more questionable and is often argued over... with the edge on a macroscopic level going to determinism.
As I recall, Robin Hood was faithful to the rightful King, Richard. The Sheriff kept conspiring with John to steal the throne. Robin Hood had broad popular support, and the evil Sheriff, no less than the usurper, did not.
Oh Christopher….you’ve made the fundamental mistake of considering that the people they’re targeting have ever actually read & or know the story of Robin Hood beyond the scene from the iconic 2001 classic, “Schrek.”
and now that I'm here... can we talk about the American oligarchy? McConnell and aluminum, Manchin and fossil fuels - I'm certain there are plenty of other instances of oligarchs installed in government. What's the word for that, again? I forget.
Back in November 2016 I started trying to do a balance sheet of Sheriffs, CBP, ICE, militias, Police Unions (but not all Chiefs or all rank and file) and the Christofascist wing of the Air Force, against Central Command of the Army, the Navy and the remainder of the Air Force. Lots of other actors... I'm wondering how that balance sheet has changed?
oh yeah, and corrections officers and the whole prison industrial complex, and the mercenaries like Erik Prince - they are probably leading the militias... this is my kind of conspiracy theory.
The thing about sheriffs is, they don't really catch the bad guys. They just run the county jail. The hard work of capturing criminals is done by the police force.
"For another thing, for Christians, death is good." Silly me, all along I thought only fanatical, suicide-bombing, Islamistic terrorists had that idea. Guess we better be on the look-out for death-loving Crusaders of the 21st Century.
The problem with letting scumbags like Joy Pullmann go to God, like they claim they want to, is that they'll take a lot of innocent "...people (who) are barely literate, perhaps even somewhat mentally disabled..." with them.
He may decide, but, you can thwart that, that is what free will is...he also says committing suicide which I could argue is what people who take risks as this do...is also wrong
As a lifelong leftie who had a job at 18 years old trying to end the Iraq War, Colin Powell’s humanity should be inspirational to all of us. While I still don’t agree with the wars, Colin Powell had a big heart and it showed. I respected him, and I am unsurprised that Fox News and other right wing garbage outlets do not, even though it makes me sad. But apparently, Colin Powell would tape the enemy’s face on a wall in his office, so I got me some pics of Tucker and gang and will Scotch tape them in honor of Powell, a man above pettiness. But I ain’t! F@ck You Fox News!
Where is the DOJ? These people have been actively stating how they made plans to overthrow the government and continue to do so. Where's the investigation? Arrests? Prosecutions?
Is it really possible that the Congressional Select Committee is the only one in government actually investigating these traitors? I hope that's not the case, but it sure feels like it.
The thing about the DOJ is, they have a longstanding policy of not disclosing investigations until there is an indictment. If there is no indictment they usually just inform the suspect and don't make an announcement. That's what made 2016 so enraging to liberals. Comey followed the rule about keeping quiet on investigations (i.e. the one they opened on the Trump campaign) but broke the rule to comment about Hillary Clinton.
I'm sure Trump, et al. would have been screaming and running to the court house for a similar subpoena of documents/questioning if the DOJ had done it. We'd have heard of that lawsuit, no?
Yet, we hear nothing. Is really possible that Trump et al. are completely cooperating with the DOJ investigation but not Congress? Maybe, but I really doubt it.
Much as I agree with you, these potential prosecutions have to be handled with care. Arresting the opposition is in the standard manual for tin-pot dictators. You know, like calling for Adam Schiff to be arrested 'cause he's being so mean to you.
If the Congressional committee knows about all the contacts between Bannon and the other groups, are you saying that the DOJ doesn't? Or that even if they committed treason, the DOJ should let it go?
I agree they need to be handled with care, but not investigating? Or taking over a year to "validate" what Bannon and Trump are doing in the open?
I read the top section about the constitutional sheriffs and thought.... OMG how do I share this with my friends and family without them thinking I have gone down some rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. If this wasn't sent from Charlie Sykes, I would have thought the sender was out of their gourd. But Charlie did send it.... again, OMG.
They are going to overthrow this government because the Claremont is creating their own ISIS.
I've never understood the belief that God (or anything/anyone) has preordained the exact moment of one's death or, in the vernacular, "When it's your time, it's your time."
If this is true, why do any of us eat healthily, exercise, wear seatbelts and helmets, get yearly physicals and get treatment for illnesses, etc? And do those who believe this do none of those things?
If I knew when I was going to die and that I couldn't change it, I tell ya I'd be having a breakfast of Twix bars right now!
So ... devout Christians don't ever go to the doctor? By that logic I should be able to jump off a building and survive - unless God pre-ordained that I was going to jump off the building at that moment. Which means we must not have free will.
It's almost as if she didn't think this whole thing through.
And has not even passing acquaintance with the Bible. Solomon said, "Time and chance happen to everyone."
Believe me when I say I'm very scared. Scared for our democracy and my country and now after reading Joy Pullman's "death is good" Christian essay, I'm terrified. For decades we've been worried about suicide bombers and crazy lunatics with guns and now I have to worry that Christians are a hairsbreadth away from joining them. When did Republicans stop valuing life? It seems to have happened over night or at least over the past 4 years of supporting TFG. Life is still precious to me. It was precious when my beautiful and brilliant 32 year old daughter, who loved her life, died of Hodgkins desease and it's precious every day I wake up and look at my grandsons. Life is precious and so is our democracy.
Sorry to hear about your daughter, as a survivor of Hodgkins disease I always feel bad for those who don't make it, my heart is with you
Thank you Angie and very happy to hear you are a survivor. Stay well and safe.
I'm sorry to hear about your daughter; I can't imagine the heartache. It sounds like she at least she lived a life where she knew a great deal of love. And she left you with parts of herself in her children. May she rest in peace.
Thank you Eric.
As a 2x cancer survivor—I can promise you that you are not thinking about “oh yay I’m gonna die!”—these people have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. Everyone’s all “when it’s my time, it’s my time” as an excuse to be reckless about COVID, but if you told them they had cancer & only a few mos. to live, I am certain that cavalier, lazy, & ignorant attitude would change REAL quickly.
Yeah my thoughts were...what can I do to survive this?
I had recurrent Hodgkin lymphoma & needed a stem cell transplant—while in the middle of medical school—I was not thinking about how lucky I was to die & never finish any of my goals or aspirations. Uniquely imbecilic & vile thing to say.
The perception of death as a good thing is inherent in Christian philosophy/theology. If you are a good Christian and die you go to heaven. This is balanced to a degree through injunctions against self-destruction. The deterministic aspect is a bit more questionable and is often argued over... with the edge on a macroscopic level going to determinism.
As I recall, Robin Hood was faithful to the rightful King, Richard. The Sheriff kept conspiring with John to steal the throne. Robin Hood had broad popular support, and the evil Sheriff, no less than the usurper, did not.
Oh Christopher….you’ve made the fundamental mistake of considering that the people they’re targeting have ever actually read & or know the story of Robin Hood beyond the scene from the iconic 2001 classic, “Schrek.”
and now that I'm here... can we talk about the American oligarchy? McConnell and aluminum, Manchin and fossil fuels - I'm certain there are plenty of other instances of oligarchs installed in government. What's the word for that, again? I forget.
Back in November 2016 I started trying to do a balance sheet of Sheriffs, CBP, ICE, militias, Police Unions (but not all Chiefs or all rank and file) and the Christofascist wing of the Air Force, against Central Command of the Army, the Navy and the remainder of the Air Force. Lots of other actors... I'm wondering how that balance sheet has changed?
Christofascists - like that!
oh yeah, and corrections officers and the whole prison industrial complex, and the mercenaries like Erik Prince - they are probably leading the militias... this is my kind of conspiracy theory.
The thing about sheriffs is, they don't really catch the bad guys. They just run the county jail. The hard work of capturing criminals is done by the police force.
My county has no police forces. The sheriff's department is the only local agency.
It depends on the county. But even in largely urban counties there are unincorporated areas where the Sheriffs are the main LEOs.
From Ben Domenech’s Federalist:
"For another thing, for Christians, death is good." Silly me, all along I thought only fanatical, suicide-bombing, Islamistic terrorists had that idea. Guess we better be on the look-out for death-loving Crusaders of the 21st Century.
Well said!
The problem with letting scumbags like Joy Pullmann go to God, like they claim they want to, is that they'll take a lot of innocent "...people (who) are barely literate, perhaps even somewhat mentally disabled..." with them.
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/lorine-carol-kaylor-48-huntington-wv-cook-at-mcdonalds
And I betcha the scumbag is fully vaccinated and in line for her booster shot. Disgusting.
(Believe I got the story of Lorine C. Kaylor from this comments section. Thanks to whomever posted it originally.)
I tried to read the Joy Pullmann article. It took a lot of willpower after the first few references to "a catchy virus," which sounded ignorant.
I missed the advice to forgo hospital care so those who do want to thwart the will of God can get the ICU beds the unvaccinated are taking up.
#PREACH
Regarding “God decides when we die” I’m not sure why you are so incensed? If one believes in a Christian god, her opinion logically follows.
He may decide, but, you can thwart that, that is what free will is...he also says committing suicide which I could argue is what people who take risks as this do...is also wrong
As a lifelong leftie who had a job at 18 years old trying to end the Iraq War, Colin Powell’s humanity should be inspirational to all of us. While I still don’t agree with the wars, Colin Powell had a big heart and it showed. I respected him, and I am unsurprised that Fox News and other right wing garbage outlets do not, even though it makes me sad. But apparently, Colin Powell would tape the enemy’s face on a wall in his office, so I got me some pics of Tucker and gang and will Scotch tape them in honor of Powell, a man above pettiness. But I ain’t! F@ck You Fox News!
RE: Bannon/Jan 6/Ongoing Insurrection
Where is the DOJ? These people have been actively stating how they made plans to overthrow the government and continue to do so. Where's the investigation? Arrests? Prosecutions?
Is it really possible that the Congressional Select Committee is the only one in government actually investigating these traitors? I hope that's not the case, but it sure feels like it.
The thing about the DOJ is, they have a longstanding policy of not disclosing investigations until there is an indictment. If there is no indictment they usually just inform the suspect and don't make an announcement. That's what made 2016 so enraging to liberals. Comey followed the rule about keeping quiet on investigations (i.e. the one they opened on the Trump campaign) but broke the rule to comment about Hillary Clinton.
I'm sure Trump, et al. would have been screaming and running to the court house for a similar subpoena of documents/questioning if the DOJ had done it. We'd have heard of that lawsuit, no?
Yet, we hear nothing. Is really possible that Trump et al. are completely cooperating with the DOJ investigation but not Congress? Maybe, but I really doubt it.
Much as I agree with you, these potential prosecutions have to be handled with care. Arresting the opposition is in the standard manual for tin-pot dictators. You know, like calling for Adam Schiff to be arrested 'cause he's being so mean to you.
If the Congressional committee knows about all the contacts between Bannon and the other groups, are you saying that the DOJ doesn't? Or that even if they committed treason, the DOJ should let it go?
I agree they need to be handled with care, but not investigating? Or taking over a year to "validate" what Bannon and Trump are doing in the open?
I read the top section about the constitutional sheriffs and thought.... OMG how do I share this with my friends and family without them thinking I have gone down some rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. If this wasn't sent from Charlie Sykes, I would have thought the sender was out of their gourd. But Charlie did send it.... again, OMG.
They are going to overthrow this government because the Claremont is creating their own ISIS.