"Can the Republican party begin to find its way back from the fetid swamp into which it has plunged?"
The answer is probably no, but if it did, it would HAVE TO start with those same GOP elected officials congratulating President-Elect Kamala Harris. None of the withholding like they did with President Biden for MONTHS afterward, not want…
"Can the Republican party begin to find its way back from the fetid swamp into which it has plunged?"
The answer is probably no, but if it did, it would HAVE TO start with those same GOP elected officials congratulating President-Elect Kamala Harris. None of the withholding like they did with President Biden for MONTHS afterward, not wanting to hurt the delicate feelings of their dear leader who would come to accept it on his own in due time. How did that work out GOP?
Let that be the litmus test, because if they fail that, then there is no hope for a reconstituted Republican Party with those folks in it.
While I'm at it, Harris/Walz will win tonight, our Democracy will win tonight, and we will have WOMEN across this nation to thank for it, as well as the Democracy-Loving coalition ALL OF US belong to!
No matter what happens, we have to figure out a comprehensive model for exposing Fuks Not News for what it actually is - a propaganda machine. If this noxious company keeps belching out lies and millions of people tune in everyday as they have been we’ll be screwed. I pray when Harris wins that one item on the long agenda will be fighting disinformation and places that vomit it.
That's going to be very difficult for them. A good chunk of their party is fanatical about the issue. Probably pretty hard for them to see a way forward if that chunk decides to sit home.
I think if they were smart, they'd go with x-teen weeks and full protections for health (not life, but health!) of the mother. Make it about later term choice.
I don't think they have it in them though. The part that would need to make that call doesn't really care, and the the part that cares, would never go for such a policy. And they know they can't win a thing if 30% of their base sits home.
Problem is, every House rep and 1/3 of the Senate (not sure how many are Rs) have to run again in 2026. Congratulating her could very well mean earning yourself a meaningful primary opponent.
I’ll be interested in what happens to Bill Cassidy two years from now. He was one of the few Republicans who voted to convict Trump in the Senate. He’d just been re-elected, and I’m sure he never dreamed that Trump would still be a force after Jan 6. We have a “jungle primary” here in Louisiana, so I’m trying to decide if I’d vote for him even though I disagree with his policies. Sort of the dilemma facing Republicans who don’t like Trump in this election. I guess it will come down to who’s running against him. Or he may decide that it isn’t worth it and go back to being a doctor, or become a lobbyist for Big Pharma.
If it's a blowout for Harris...many of the GOP will accept the results, not out of patriotism, but mostly due to them seeing which way the political winds are blowing. If it's razor thin margin, watch for them to play it safe and call for audits, recounts and any opportunity to question the results.
Agree but that is the fundamental problem in our politics. We don’t EVER have blowout elections. Our system because it is always focused on a few states means it’s always close. I meant Biden’s 2020 win was closer to Obama’s win in 2008 than Obama’s win in 2012. The issue is republicans now don’t trust results and only rely on the ec. They don’t even try to win the popular vote.
If it’s a blowout for Harris, stand by for the “autopsies” - aka eating their young. I’ve seen it many times, but it would be especially sweet this year. (Of course, they’d probably come to the wrong conclusion, as usual.)
I'd just accept them keeping their food holes shut for a week or two and await definitive results. Calling for audits or recounts is conceding that the decaying Orange One might, just might be right and that they would be OK with that. Not exactly to recovering of their democratic senses, if they ever existed to begin with.
I'm with you! At 76, pushing 77 I have found that if something goes off the rails, politics in this case, after determining the condition and timeline, it takes that long to get the damage corrected and the vehicle back on the rails running on time. For the sake of a reference point lets call the Republican parties loss of a moral compass and lust for power and control to be measured from 1968 and the Southern Strategy under Nixon. It's actually goes back further, but that's an easy, recognizable landmark. Do the math and that's how long it will take to "begin to find its way back from the fetid swamp into which it has plunged?" "
We'd then spend several news cycles discussing the f-bomb itself, rather than the point being made, and a few more on how hurt the Republicans feelings are for implying any dishonesty on their part.
I'd even accept the Bulwarkian, "Shut the fork up", to give those brave souls a bit of top cover and a modicum of the decorum they clearly need to return to after the foulest mouthed politician our national stage ever saw, and, hopefully., ever will.
A friend said that Trump will declare himself the winner early to force GOP officials to either get behind him, contort themselves, or reject his win. I can see most of them either getting behind him to curry favor or suddenly forgetting it’s Election Day and claiming they were too busy today to see Trump’s victory speech.
"Can the Republican party begin to find its way back from the fetid swamp into which it has plunged?"
The answer is probably no, but if it did, it would HAVE TO start with those same GOP elected officials congratulating President-Elect Kamala Harris. None of the withholding like they did with President Biden for MONTHS afterward, not wanting to hurt the delicate feelings of their dear leader who would come to accept it on his own in due time. How did that work out GOP?
Let that be the litmus test, because if they fail that, then there is no hope for a reconstituted Republican Party with those folks in it.
While I'm at it, Harris/Walz will win tonight, our Democracy will win tonight, and we will have WOMEN across this nation to thank for it, as well as the Democracy-Loving coalition ALL OF US belong to!
No matter what happens, we have to figure out a comprehensive model for exposing Fuks Not News for what it actually is - a propaganda machine. If this noxious company keeps belching out lies and millions of people tune in everyday as they have been we’ll be screwed. I pray when Harris wins that one item on the long agenda will be fighting disinformation and places that vomit it.
A Republican Party will have to figure out where it stands on abortion if it hopes to have any viability.
That's going to be very difficult for them. A good chunk of their party is fanatical about the issue. Probably pretty hard for them to see a way forward if that chunk decides to sit home.
They are foolish if they stick w their current or try to ignore it as they have been
I think if they were smart, they'd go with x-teen weeks and full protections for health (not life, but health!) of the mother. Make it about later term choice.
I don't think they have it in them though. The part that would need to make that call doesn't really care, and the the part that cares, would never go for such a policy. And they know they can't win a thing if 30% of their base sits home.
Problem is, every House rep and 1/3 of the Senate (not sure how many are Rs) have to run again in 2026. Congratulating her could very well mean earning yourself a meaningful primary opponent.
I’ll be interested in what happens to Bill Cassidy two years from now. He was one of the few Republicans who voted to convict Trump in the Senate. He’d just been re-elected, and I’m sure he never dreamed that Trump would still be a force after Jan 6. We have a “jungle primary” here in Louisiana, so I’m trying to decide if I’d vote for him even though I disagree with his policies. Sort of the dilemma facing Republicans who don’t like Trump in this election. I guess it will come down to who’s running against him. Or he may decide that it isn’t worth it and go back to being a doctor, or become a lobbyist for Big Pharma.
Too damn bad, isn't it?
You can thank gerrymandering, at least in part. And the reluctance of moderates to vote in primaries.
If it's a blowout for Harris...many of the GOP will accept the results, not out of patriotism, but mostly due to them seeing which way the political winds are blowing. If it's razor thin margin, watch for them to play it safe and call for audits, recounts and any opportunity to question the results.
I hope for this but I would still have a trust gap with trying to build/ modify within this GOP. The RNC is rotted.
Agree but that is the fundamental problem in our politics. We don’t EVER have blowout elections. Our system because it is always focused on a few states means it’s always close. I meant Biden’s 2020 win was closer to Obama’s win in 2008 than Obama’s win in 2012. The issue is republicans now don’t trust results and only rely on the ec. They don’t even try to win the popular vote.
If it’s a blowout for Harris, stand by for the “autopsies” - aka eating their young. I’ve seen it many times, but it would be especially sweet this year. (Of course, they’d probably come to the wrong conclusion, as usual.)
I can save them a lot of money: Don't run a traitorous, narcissistic, sociopath for President.
I'd just accept them keeping their food holes shut for a week or two and await definitive results. Calling for audits or recounts is conceding that the decaying Orange One might, just might be right and that they would be OK with that. Not exactly to recovering of their democratic senses, if they ever existed to begin with.
I'm with you! At 76, pushing 77 I have found that if something goes off the rails, politics in this case, after determining the condition and timeline, it takes that long to get the damage corrected and the vehicle back on the rails running on time. For the sake of a reference point lets call the Republican parties loss of a moral compass and lust for power and control to be measured from 1968 and the Southern Strategy under Nixon. It's actually goes back further, but that's an easy, recognizable landmark. Do the math and that's how long it will take to "begin to find its way back from the fetid swamp into which it has plunged?" "
Damn good point on the GOP accepting the results. We know Trump won't, what about the rest?
And I'm more than ready for someone to say to these guys, live and on air, "Produce evidence or shut the fuck up!"
We'd then spend several news cycles discussing the f-bomb itself, rather than the point being made, and a few more on how hurt the Republicans feelings are for implying any dishonesty on their part.
I'd even accept the Bulwarkian, "Shut the fork up", to give those brave souls a bit of top cover and a modicum of the decorum they clearly need to return to after the foulest mouthed politician our national stage ever saw, and, hopefully., ever will.
A friend said that Trump will declare himself the winner early to force GOP officials to either get behind him, contort themselves, or reject his win. I can see most of them either getting behind him to curry favor or suddenly forgetting it’s Election Day and claiming they were too busy today to see Trump’s victory speech.
🥂 for the last point. Marvelous!!