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Ron DeSantis & Kari Lake: The MAGA King & Queen
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Ron DeSantis & Kari Lake: The MAGA King & Queen

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Ron DeSantis may be a black hole of charisma, but election denier Kari Lake knows how to run a campaign. Are these two the future of the MAGA movement in 2024? Plus, progressive Dems retracted a letter to Biden calling on a diplomatic solution to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. JVL, Sarah and Tim discuss on this week's The Next Level.

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Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, breakdown campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds.
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