POTUS waited until the RNC was over. He was always going to wait until the RNC was over. He worked the phones for Harris for days, which is why the entire party fell in line in six hours.
Now Trump is stuck with a mouthful of Dead Sea Fruit for VP. Excellent.
AOC was talking about the legal issues involved post-nom with a change. That’s it.
This whole episode is hilarious in retrospect, particularly Dems not being “ready for a Kamala ticket.”
What about Tim Ryan for VP? He should have beat JD Vance for senate seat and Ryan is articulate.
And thanks Tim for asking about the poster. I kept looking at it thinking it was Gore but it couldn't be because of its location. I figured it would remain a mystery until you asked. thanks!
If Tim couldn't beat him for senate, he won't do so head to head for the vice presidency. I like Ryan, but Beshear might be a better bet gaving won the governorship of a red state twice. Roy Cooper is worth a shot as a seasoned white moderate to contrast with Kamala.
Gonna disagree with your "cant have a gay on the ticket" take. You reminded this X'r of a conversation he had with his Moderate Dem Boomer dad back in 08 where I remarked I thought Obama looked impressive and I thought he was gonna beat Hillary. To which my Dad replied "Eric hes a black guy with the middle name Hussein there is no way hes getting the nomination much less win the election"...... Just saying
S.E. Cupp has never been my favorite but I really loved her analysis and commentary on this podcast! So many smart, thoughtful people from the left and right finding ourselves in the middle. I’m happy to be here!
Tim mentioned he was confused by AOC’s statement about not taking a risk by changing the Democratic ballot at this late date. One thing AOC meant was there are a lot of rules regarding when a party must submit their nominees’ names to states so the states can follow their internal processes and begin printing ballots. States have a deadline codified in state election laws as to when they must receive the nominee names to place on their state ballot. Republican led states will bring legal challenges if they are asked to change the ballot of a party after the deadline. In fact the Democratic convention is set to take place after the deadline for one Republican state. That state said they would not accept nominees’ names after their state’s legal deadline . This is why the Democrats set up a digital gathering of their designated electors before the actual convention so the Electors can go ahead and vote for nominees thereby meeting all states’ deadlines. AOC is stressing that at this late date changing the Democratic nominees names on state ballots will insure a great deal of litigation that will not be quickly resolved. Courts and Republican led legislatures will end up making decisions about the Democratic ballot and it won’t be smooth or pretty. In addition she is stressing that the assumption the Democratic Convention will quickly and smoothly choose new nominees is not realistic. It would be easy for anyone with an agenda to sew chaos. Even if the change proceeded smoothly, the slate of names produced at a convention would have blown past the deadline of some states’ codified election rules. It’s too late to make these sweeping changes. Everything becomes a legal battle with individual states at that point. If you think the Republican led states will say it’s cool, I have a bridge to sell you. This is a huge dose of chaos and the Republicans will like that. Lots of litigation and Republican courts in Republican states making decisions about the Democratic ballot.
Many of us are voting for the Democratic ticket not Biden at this point. That might be the best we can do given the short amount of time we have now.
I was not confused by this I was confused by her motivations.
This is not an issue. The democrats don’t have a nominee yet. This is only an issue if there is a change after they formally nominate someone. The Republicans will file frivolous lawsuits no matter what that’s no reason not to do something
AOC tries to walk a fine line between progressivism and mainstream because (1) I think she actually cares about legislating and governing (unlike the rest of the Squad) and (2) she saw how Jameel Bowman got primaried and she worries it could happen to her down the road. Right now she's firmly in the "keep Joe" camp probably because she thinks (as I do) that Joe ultimately won't give it up and she doesn't want to be one of those who plotted to kill the king but failed to kill the king.
Tim, I felt the same way when Hillbilly Elegy came out. However, I read it. After I did, I felt an even stronger sense that Vance was/is an opportunistic poser.
I think we all agree that we Democrats aren't good enough at democracy to have an open convention and avoid a blood bath. And I think we can all agree that Kamala Harris will be the nominee, like her or not (I've become more and more of a fan).
Your discussion of the running mates was interesting and I mostly agree. The country's not ready for a gay VP (yet, but it's coming), Newsom's a total non-starter for a lot of reasons, Roy Cooper's a good idea, the Middle East situation makes Shapiro undoable for this round. But what about Whitmer? (Oy, two women? you say!) Why not. It's like "you don't want to vote for a woman, here, asshole, we'll give you two of the best!"
With Trump and Vance so toxic to so many women, could those two be the one-two punch we need? I'm not totally convinced, but I'd love to hear some real live discussion of it.
I'm right there with S.E. getting PO'd at Biden for his intransigent hubris at this precarious moment. I was never a huge fan, but had lots of empathy for him, as I recall the accident that killed his wife and baby, and then losing Beau too. He has pretty much used up all of the good will I had for him. I had never detected the overvaulting ambition in him before that prevents him from putting the national good first, but seeing it now. But I'm afraid it's almost too late. I'm a senior citizen, who never thought it'd end up this way, now looking for alternative countries to live in. Sad.
P.S. Thinking that Hunter and Jill are the main impediments is infuriating. Give Hunter his pardon after the election, and be done.
Bless you. I've never been a Republican but understand S.E's feeling of betrayal after Joe presenting as an interim emergency measure. New Zealand is lovely but I'm a Francophile, just relieved they didn't go full LePen. Hang in there!
1. Joe will step down but not unless/until all the Dem powers that be guarantee him that Kamala Harris will be at the top of the ticket. He’s not getting those guarantees as of yet.
2. Joe will step down but not unless/until all the Dem powers that be guarantee him that Kamala Harris will NOT be at the top of the ticket. He’s not getting those guarantees as of yet.
The first one is imaginable to me if Joe’s personally speaking for himself in all the discussions. The second one is imaginable to me if Jill/Hunter are pulling all the strings.
If it’s the first one, Joe could always decide to resign completely from the Presidency today so that Kamala becomes our President before July and then proceeds as the incumbent. In that event, even the psychic professor said she inherits Joe’s full probability of winning under his 10 steps or whatever it is.
POTUS waited until the RNC was over. He was always going to wait until the RNC was over. He worked the phones for Harris for days, which is why the entire party fell in line in six hours.
Now Trump is stuck with a mouthful of Dead Sea Fruit for VP. Excellent.
AOC was talking about the legal issues involved post-nom with a change. That’s it.
This whole episode is hilarious in retrospect, particularly Dems not being “ready for a Kamala ticket.”
You say people aren’t talking about conservatism? What do you call Project 2025?
"The longer he (Biden) stays in there, the more personal it gets." That's how I feel too.
PS (Sunday p.m.) ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Seems (to me) like this is the best possible timing.
He waited for the RNC to be over. Now they’re stuck with Senator Guyliner.
Thank you for understanding the danger surrounding Shapiro. I don’t care about the protesters, I care about his life.
keep the therapy coming!
What about Tim Ryan for VP? He should have beat JD Vance for senate seat and Ryan is articulate.
And thanks Tim for asking about the poster. I kept looking at it thinking it was Gore but it couldn't be because of its location. I figured it would remain a mystery until you asked. thanks!
If Tim couldn't beat him for senate, he won't do so head to head for the vice presidency. I like Ryan, but Beshear might be a better bet gaving won the governorship of a red state twice. Roy Cooper is worth a shot as a seasoned white moderate to contrast with Kamala.
Gonna disagree with your "cant have a gay on the ticket" take. You reminded this X'r of a conversation he had with his Moderate Dem Boomer dad back in 08 where I remarked I thought Obama looked impressive and I thought he was gonna beat Hillary. To which my Dad replied "Eric hes a black guy with the middle name Hussein there is no way hes getting the nomination much less win the election"...... Just saying
S.E. Cupp has never been my favorite but I really loved her analysis and commentary on this podcast! So many smart, thoughtful people from the left and right finding ourselves in the middle. I’m happy to be here!
Tim mentioned he was confused by AOC’s statement about not taking a risk by changing the Democratic ballot at this late date. One thing AOC meant was there are a lot of rules regarding when a party must submit their nominees’ names to states so the states can follow their internal processes and begin printing ballots. States have a deadline codified in state election laws as to when they must receive the nominee names to place on their state ballot. Republican led states will bring legal challenges if they are asked to change the ballot of a party after the deadline. In fact the Democratic convention is set to take place after the deadline for one Republican state. That state said they would not accept nominees’ names after their state’s legal deadline . This is why the Democrats set up a digital gathering of their designated electors before the actual convention so the Electors can go ahead and vote for nominees thereby meeting all states’ deadlines. AOC is stressing that at this late date changing the Democratic nominees names on state ballots will insure a great deal of litigation that will not be quickly resolved. Courts and Republican led legislatures will end up making decisions about the Democratic ballot and it won’t be smooth or pretty. In addition she is stressing that the assumption the Democratic Convention will quickly and smoothly choose new nominees is not realistic. It would be easy for anyone with an agenda to sew chaos. Even if the change proceeded smoothly, the slate of names produced at a convention would have blown past the deadline of some states’ codified election rules. It’s too late to make these sweeping changes. Everything becomes a legal battle with individual states at that point. If you think the Republican led states will say it’s cool, I have a bridge to sell you. This is a huge dose of chaos and the Republicans will like that. Lots of litigation and Republican courts in Republican states making decisions about the Democratic ballot.
Many of us are voting for the Democratic ticket not Biden at this point. That might be the best we can do given the short amount of time we have now.
I was not confused by this I was confused by her motivations.
This is not an issue. The democrats don’t have a nominee yet. This is only an issue if there is a change after they formally nominate someone. The Republicans will file frivolous lawsuits no matter what that’s no reason not to do something
AOC tries to walk a fine line between progressivism and mainstream because (1) I think she actually cares about legislating and governing (unlike the rest of the Squad) and (2) she saw how Jameel Bowman got primaried and she worries it could happen to her down the road. Right now she's firmly in the "keep Joe" camp probably because she thinks (as I do) that Joe ultimately won't give it up and she doesn't want to be one of those who plotted to kill the king but failed to kill the king.
Tim, I felt the same way when Hillbilly Elegy came out. However, I read it. After I did, I felt an even stronger sense that Vance was/is an opportunistic poser.
I thought he was a judgy asshole.
I think we all agree that we Democrats aren't good enough at democracy to have an open convention and avoid a blood bath. And I think we can all agree that Kamala Harris will be the nominee, like her or not (I've become more and more of a fan).
Your discussion of the running mates was interesting and I mostly agree. The country's not ready for a gay VP (yet, but it's coming), Newsom's a total non-starter for a lot of reasons, Roy Cooper's a good idea, the Middle East situation makes Shapiro undoable for this round. But what about Whitmer? (Oy, two women? you say!) Why not. It's like "you don't want to vote for a woman, here, asshole, we'll give you two of the best!"
With Trump and Vance so toxic to so many women, could those two be the one-two punch we need? I'm not totally convinced, but I'd love to hear some real live discussion of it.
I hope you’ve reconsidered the “bloodbath” thing.
Tim— did you ever think you would be on the same side as your “producer” Tommy Vietor??? Thank the orange man for brining you together. Love you!!
I'm right there with S.E. getting PO'd at Biden for his intransigent hubris at this precarious moment. I was never a huge fan, but had lots of empathy for him, as I recall the accident that killed his wife and baby, and then losing Beau too. He has pretty much used up all of the good will I had for him. I had never detected the overvaulting ambition in him before that prevents him from putting the national good first, but seeing it now. But I'm afraid it's almost too late. I'm a senior citizen, who never thought it'd end up this way, now looking for alternative countries to live in. Sad.
P.S. Thinking that Hunter and Jill are the main impediments is infuriating. Give Hunter his pardon after the election, and be done.
I feel you. This lifelong Republican-until-Trump is thinking New Zealand might be a good fit. Signed, a fellow senior.
Bless you. I've never been a Republican but understand S.E's feeling of betrayal after Joe presenting as an interim emergency measure. New Zealand is lovely but I'm a Francophile, just relieved they didn't go full LePen. Hang in there!
Harris/Buttigieg!
Please leave Josh with us for a bit longer?! He might even turn Pa Blue!
I love this ticket!
Tim!! Pete Buttigieg was brilliant and searing on Bill Maher tonight, highly recommend.
I think one of these two things is happening:
1. Joe will step down but not unless/until all the Dem powers that be guarantee him that Kamala Harris will be at the top of the ticket. He’s not getting those guarantees as of yet.
2. Joe will step down but not unless/until all the Dem powers that be guarantee him that Kamala Harris will NOT be at the top of the ticket. He’s not getting those guarantees as of yet.
The first one is imaginable to me if Joe’s personally speaking for himself in all the discussions. The second one is imaginable to me if Jill/Hunter are pulling all the strings.
If it’s the first one, Joe could always decide to resign completely from the Presidency today so that Kamala becomes our President before July and then proceeds as the incumbent. In that event, even the psychic professor said she inherits Joe’s full probability of winning under his 10 steps or whatever it is.
It’s 16; and I agree.
It seems that Tim gives too much credit to Trump for the first 20 minutes of his speech. It all sounded like overcooked pasta to me.