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Hey, everybody, welcome to The Bulwark. I'm Tim, and I'm here with the vice chairman of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Senator Mark Warner of Virginia. He was the Democratic point man yesterday on the hearing with Tulsi Gabbard and John Ratcliffe and Cash Patel that ended up focusing a lot on the signal text chain
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heard around to the world. How are you doing, Senator?
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Well, Tim, it's been a wild 24 hours. So and again, just at the outset, I thought these guys couldn't shock me anymore. But this last incident, it's like, oh, my gosh, as an intel guy, my head's exploding.

Sen. Mark Warner joins Tim Miller to break down the Signal chat scandal, national security concerns, and troubling reports of legal refugees being deported without due process.

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Let’s not call them the “DOGE Bros” or the Musk-rats.

Let’s call them the MUSK-ovites.

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WTF Warner says certainly should be taken out of the country... they should be deported, sure but is he ok with sending them to a 3rd country?

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Tim we have to get our people out out of El Salvador asap. Not fair to be in Hell.

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Pete needs to resign.

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Gabbi lies with anger and hate

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I want to vomit. The enemy within: Hegseth, Gabbard, Ratcliffe & Patel. Trump flips the bird to the Constitution, our Intel community, the nation and our Military. He is careless because he does not give a damn.

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Such a great point. He must have cut and pasted from another doc. How is it classified?

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That was a gobbledygook answer from Warner about due process for immigrants. It sounded like a lot of words to say they are going to do nothing. People are being kidnapped off the streets, handcuffed, head shaved and shoved an slapped on to a plane without any way to defend themselves. "My Republican friends will find their voice?" No, they won't. Dem legislators are going to need to be much louder about this.

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Maybe it would help explain this travesty if their salaries and requisite perks were published. I'll be mad if my social security checks are disappeared, and madder when I see that my annual is 1% of their annual.

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I suspect that, when the turkeys involved in the Signal chat claim that nothing was “classified,” they mean that nothing was classified YET. It obviously was not MARKED classified. They’re using a loophole in that, when oral material is generated, it can’t be marked “classified” until someone classifies it. But this is exactly the kind of information that should be marked “classified” when the written records are are prepared.

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Is there any way to get the people back from El Salvador, or are they just gone forever?

I guess there are a lot of tones of voice you might be imagining me saying that in, but I'm horrified; terrified for them; and so so sad.

I appreciate that you keep bringing it up Tim.

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even for casual conversation this is amazingly unprofessional conduct. Our local government secures all devices. Nothing gets loaded without being reviewed to ensure that it won't compromise the broader network. We communicate differently on email than text, but never, ever would anyone that I know communicate in such a cavalier fashion. I am disgusted by the incompetence of these people. And embarrassed for our country

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The sharing of intel by the US allies was already in question when Tulsi Gabbard was appointed, as I understand it; this must surely massively compound that.

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His responses are why we are alarmed. It's as if he's not alarmed that legal US citizens have been denied basic civil rights AND that our safety is in jeopardy, not to mention our Allies trust in us.

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Great interview. So informative to hear from one in the Senators in the room. No emojis on government issued devices!!

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Thank you for always bringing up the people in El Salvador. It is heartbreaking and we need to get them back.

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Trying, desperately, to keep perspective here. It goes without saying that Hegseth shouldn’t be trusted to tend a bar, let alone the DOD, and the whole group is a clown car of the highest order: If the mission itself was successful, is it reasonable to expect Hegseth to resign or be fired when Lloyd Austin kept his job after the disastrous Afghan withdrawal that resulted in loss of life of American servicepeople?

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Warner should be outraged. Is this outrage for him? The eloquent and informed Dems such as Warner are getting steamrolled by the lying arrogant MAGA cretins. Get ANGRY, folks. This is reckless, dangerous, stupidity from the most powerful people in the world. It is "safe to say a lot of my colleagues are aghast" he says - not really the powerful message or reassurance I am looking for...

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every single Democrat, every single day needs to say that Waltz Hegseth and Gabbard need to resign. No further investigation is needed to know this.

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Tim, you gave it a good try but what I'm hearing from the Senator is that nothing will actually be done re: lack of due process in deporting people to a jail in another country.

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Warner = warmed over milque toast. We need new opposition leaders to oppose Trump and his MAGA minions.

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Very wishy washy on should we be sending people to a foreign hellhole with no due process with no end ever, how long are they going to be there?

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Tim, please have a colleague ask President Trump how we can get live streaming, texting of ALL cabinet communications…since this was “unclassified”, etc..

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If anyone actually gets fired or resigns I'll be ASTOUNDED.

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Another reason Hegseth should resign: at least 3 or 4 U.S. soldiers just went missing somewhere between Lithuania and Belarus: https://youtu.be/UJIEevQMMyQ?si=pRGXHqc4EOBGtVeq

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Folks - check Signal for answers...good news is that my initials look like JD Vance's so I will let you know what i find out when they add me by accident...

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Yea this concerning…

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Warner's not wrong- of course Heggie should resign. Along with Waltz. But this is going to happen about as fast as the next ice age, in an ever hotter climate. No one in TrumpLandia pays much for incompetence. The only sin that exiles someone is insufficient groveling loyalty to herr Trump.

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(Tim: El, not San when it comes to Salvadors!) 😉🖖🏽

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I can’t understand the transactional attitude towards allies. Most of America’s ancestors came from Allied nations

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Honestly, he feels like another Schumer believing his friends across the aisle will do the right thing at some point. Offers no solutions beyond elections. No imagination, no fire.

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Sounds like some on the chat were performing for the audience of one? Is it possible that Trump was on the call? Or, that Wiles was understood to be a Trump proxy?

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What about Marco Rubio, Secretary of State? Has he said anything? Shouldn't he have known that this wasn't safe to do?

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Keep it coming Tim! Thank you.

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It just seems like the cabinet staff is not serious about their job, like they’re playing go to the office, playing going to work. Totally inept and immature people. Not adults with any critical thinking skills.

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That’s my take, too. The Trump administration consists of children who’ve been riding in the backseat, loudly criticizing mom and dad’s driving skills. Now that they have the keys they are finding out their feet can’t reach the pedals and they can’t see over the dashboard.

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Love it. Stealing!

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I can’t get it to play!

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