JFK certainly thought the debates helped him, though the margin was so small itтАЩs hard to tell, and Lichtman wasnтАЩt around to predict that election. Lichtman did predict HW BushтАЩs defeat before any debates were held. Lichtman predicted GoreтАЩs victory in August of 2000, and GoreтАЩs loss wasn't due to the debates so much as the Supreme Court hijacking the election.
Lichtman used data from many elections to formulate his system, including JFK. Lichtman also insisted post debate that Biden's odds are still better than anyone else's.
ThatтАЩs true: he did use JFKтАЩs election, but he did not PREDICT JFKтАЩs election. And Lichtman has said repeatedly that debates don't count, particularly ones in June.
I never claimed he predicted JFK's election. He used election data from elections going back to 1840, and the historical environment of those elections. That is how he developed his 13 keys which he began using starting in 1982. I am not sure what you think I am saying.
I saw his reaction on CNN. His formula doesn't include that joint appearance that is laughingly called a debate.
Lichtman watched the debate, and he has said over and over again that no debate has ever affected the 13 keys.
Tell that to JFK, George H W Bush and Al Gore.
JFK certainly thought the debates helped him, though the margin was so small itтАЩs hard to tell, and Lichtman wasnтАЩt around to predict that election. Lichtman did predict HW BushтАЩs defeat before any debates were held. Lichtman predicted GoreтАЩs victory in August of 2000, and GoreтАЩs loss wasn't due to the debates so much as the Supreme Court hijacking the election.
Lichtman used data from many elections to formulate his system, including JFK. Lichtman also insisted post debate that Biden's odds are still better than anyone else's.
ThatтАЩs true: he did use JFKтАЩs election, but he did not PREDICT JFKтАЩs election. And Lichtman has said repeatedly that debates don't count, particularly ones in June.
I never claimed he predicted JFK's election. He used election data from elections going back to 1840, and the historical environment of those elections. That is how he developed his 13 keys which he began using starting in 1982. I am not sure what you think I am saying.
I actually think that debate became a large scandal, so that would false another key.
You have to use Lichtman's definitions, not your own. Besides, that is really stretching the word "scandal" almost as if you want keys to fail..