I'm in the so-called dump Biden movement. I read a lot of books and I'm a retired US History and Government teacher, so I bring a lot of background knowledge to my reading, something essential to thinking critically. And, I've been following this story since February when, seeing that Biden was losing, Ezra Klein first proposed an open c…
I'm in the so-called dump Biden movement. I read a lot of books and I'm a retired US History and Government teacher, so I bring a lot of background knowledge to my reading, something essential to thinking critically. And, I've been following this story since February when, seeing that Biden was losing, Ezra Klein first proposed an open convention.
Also, did you actually read all of today's Morning Shots? Bill said, "James Carville lays out in (yesterday's) New York Times a version of how an open competition for the Democratic nomination might work, along lines similar to helpful suggestions from Georgetown law professor Rosa Brooks and venture capitalist Ted Dintersmith, and commentator Ezra Klein.
Talk about hubris. Carville himself is old and maybe he needs to retire. Something absolutely none of you are thinking about is the actual nuts and bolts process of replacing Biden on the ballot in all 50 states. That Carville calls on Obama and Clinton to hand pick the nominees—maybe with governors’ help—is the height of arrogance. He calls for town hall meetings in the four geographic regions and a mini primary. But there is no general primary that can be held across the country on one day; each state has its own laws and regs when it comes to candidates and elections. Just how is that going to happen in red states controlled by the GOP who would be beyond happy to legally challenge any changes to the ballot? And even in blue states? Do you think elections happen overnight? Because Carville, who should know better, certainly doesn’t seem to. Did you know that today is the deadline for registering the presidential candidates for the ballot in Georgia? And Ohio tried some ratf*#kery (sorry JVL) to try to keep the Dem candidate off the ballot because he will not officially be the nominee until the DNC—which is after the deadline.
But let’s go back to the town halls and mini primary. States would have to set up new Dem elections, and in PA and other states, potential candidates need to circulate petitions and gather signatures to qualify. Then new ballots would have to be printed. And again you don’t think this will all be legally challenged by the GOP? We have how many weeks until the convention? Just how does this all miraculously happen in five or so weeks?
Oh yes I saw Ezra’s column and rolled my eyes. The truth is, so many of the people who were and are calling for Biden’s ouster are the same people who didn’t want him in 2020 but held their noses to vote for him. I actually had the honor of meeting the man and talking to him two months ago. He was funny, sharp, and stayed on his feet for more than two hours talking and interacting with people. So I will go by my own in the flesh in real time experience with Joe Biden.
Ok, some good points about Carville's proposal, but that he is old is not hubris. If there is no way to get another nominee who can beat Trump, then so be it. I'm not convinced of that yet, so I would like to see some more discussion.
Are you saying Klein didn't want Biden to run in the 2020 primary, or are you saying he perferred Pete B or Bernie once the primary races began, or are you saying he didn't want Biden to be the nominee once he won SC? I don't recall any of that. I'd need some evidence.
I'm in the so-called dump Biden movement. I read a lot of books and I'm a retired US History and Government teacher, so I bring a lot of background knowledge to my reading, something essential to thinking critically. And, I've been following this story since February when, seeing that Biden was losing, Ezra Klein first proposed an open convention.
Have you not come across this in your extensive reading? See https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/opinion/ezra-klein-biden-audio-essay.html.
Also, did you actually read all of today's Morning Shots? Bill said, "James Carville lays out in (yesterday's) New York Times a version of how an open competition for the Democratic nomination might work, along lines similar to helpful suggestions from Georgetown law professor Rosa Brooks and venture capitalist Ted Dintersmith, and commentator Ezra Klein.
Talk about hubris. Carville himself is old and maybe he needs to retire. Something absolutely none of you are thinking about is the actual nuts and bolts process of replacing Biden on the ballot in all 50 states. That Carville calls on Obama and Clinton to hand pick the nominees—maybe with governors’ help—is the height of arrogance. He calls for town hall meetings in the four geographic regions and a mini primary. But there is no general primary that can be held across the country on one day; each state has its own laws and regs when it comes to candidates and elections. Just how is that going to happen in red states controlled by the GOP who would be beyond happy to legally challenge any changes to the ballot? And even in blue states? Do you think elections happen overnight? Because Carville, who should know better, certainly doesn’t seem to. Did you know that today is the deadline for registering the presidential candidates for the ballot in Georgia? And Ohio tried some ratf*#kery (sorry JVL) to try to keep the Dem candidate off the ballot because he will not officially be the nominee until the DNC—which is after the deadline.
But let’s go back to the town halls and mini primary. States would have to set up new Dem elections, and in PA and other states, potential candidates need to circulate petitions and gather signatures to qualify. Then new ballots would have to be printed. And again you don’t think this will all be legally challenged by the GOP? We have how many weeks until the convention? Just how does this all miraculously happen in five or so weeks?
Oh yes I saw Ezra’s column and rolled my eyes. The truth is, so many of the people who were and are calling for Biden’s ouster are the same people who didn’t want him in 2020 but held their noses to vote for him. I actually had the honor of meeting the man and talking to him two months ago. He was funny, sharp, and stayed on his feet for more than two hours talking and interacting with people. So I will go by my own in the flesh in real time experience with Joe Biden.
Ok, some good points about Carville's proposal, but that he is old is not hubris. If there is no way to get another nominee who can beat Trump, then so be it. I'm not convinced of that yet, so I would like to see some more discussion.
Are you saying Klein didn't want Biden to run in the 2020 primary, or are you saying he perferred Pete B or Bernie once the primary races began, or are you saying he didn't want Biden to be the nominee once he won SC? I don't recall any of that. I'd need some evidence.