When the products of the Great Valley of California and the meat producing plants of the Midwest/Great Plains spiral in price, we'll see how long DJT continues his indiscriminate mass deportations.
What I want from the media is objective and factual reporting of what is happening.
I don't want advocacy journalism or cell phone social media "journalism" designed to overwhelm reason with emotion and create multiple narratives of events. I want to see fewer journalists covering the raids of work places and more covering the detention centers and the courtrooms where the detained are processed. Also detailed interviews with everyone who is erroneously detained due to racial/ethnic profiling.
I am also curious as to how many (if any) of the 750,000 Europeans, Israelis, East Asians who are here after overstaying their visas and never came near the border are tracked, detained and deported.
"The bourgeoise has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation."
"The modern state is but a committee for managing the affairs of the bourgeoise."
"The bourgeoise has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and revered. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the scientist, into its paid wage-laborers."
These quotes are from the first five pages of The Communist Manifesto. It's an excellent book and every American should read it today. Americans have been told to avoid Marx on purpose. Marx has the answer to our problems.
There will be content.....video of brown people being frogged marched. Does Stephen Miller get his way and apply it broadly or just as an instrument of terror and determent and entertainment for MAGA? We'll see.
do you think the media, based on their failure to make The Donald's crimes and ambitions, lacks the cajones to say anything.
For the most part, the media in this country and tv have been under the control of the oligarchs since Reagan deregulated these news sources in the 80s. This led to monopolization of these infonews outlets, led to the rise of right wing antiamerican content, and the crowning of Rush Limbaugh by The Donald with the Medal of Freedom.
Do you realize that our government, courts and media are all owned by imperial capitalists? Their mission is to destroy the regulatory world so they can run rampant, continue to stuff their pockets with greenbacks, destroy our country and then move on to the next country They will then rape and pillage them under the guise of ant-communism like they have done since the 50s.
Who are the real terrorists? MAGApublicans, The Donald and the oligarch puppeteers who make MAGA and The Donald dance to and implement their musical score.
Thank you, Adrian, for bringing this important perspective to us.
Those of us who only hear about all the 'hand-outs' to immigrants who are here illegally, need to see the true impact of those who are just here to work and feed their families:
Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
state, and local taxes in 2022.
In California, undocumented immigrants contributed $8.5 billion in
There are administrative and legislative paths that can largely achieve the same goals in a more orderly fashion, but that mitigates the tough guy bullshit, which is most of the point, I suppose.
Thank you so much for this. I’ve just subscribed, because of the many, many issues of concern facing us under a Trump administration, this one frightens me the most. I will read your coverage and will look for ways to help protect people in my own community. Fear must not hold us back from taking a stand. One of the most effective tools against fear is real information; the facts about what is actually happening will hopefully empower many of us to act. Again, my thanks!
"Ramos, the MSNBC and Telemundo contributor, argued that the media was, to a large degree, responsible for moving the audience to the right on immigration."
Hol' up a minute.
How can this be?
Tim and Sarah have assured us that "the media" isn't responsible for moving voters towards Trump.
Welcome, Adrian. A word of caution, though. The reason most of us absorb the Bulwark as our chief source of information is that we have bought into the "nothing but the unvarnished truth" bit. We don't want to be snowed. Someone can correct me if I am wrong here, but Adrian's "polls show the plurality of Americans" support mass deportations leaves a bad smell. While a "plurality" may technically be used to mean "majority", amongst the American politically aware class (which all of us who absorb the Bulwark are) it has come to mean less than a majority. It is "majority-lite" if you will. To use it here instead of using "majority" smells like the writer is prioritizing persuasion in his content rather than "the unvarnished truth". Please discontinue this practice if you want my continued readership.
Kevin - I believe you are wrong about the definition of plurality. My Merriam-Webster states that it is "not more than half the total votes cast," i.e. by definition, NOT a majority. How can that "technically" mean a majority?
Although Adrian didn't cite which poll, I take him to be quoting a poll that found LESS than a majority support mass deportations, but in numbers higher than other choices in the poll. So that's exactly what he wrote.
I don't understand your objection. Are you saying that a majority of Americans does support mass deportations? Source please?
...or are you saying you believe there is LESS than majority support, but you don't like the way Adrian reported that fact?
I have looked up the definition of plurality online with a few sources (now, after reading your reply, J AZ, including Merriam-Webster), and the first option that comes up is "a large number", or pretty much to that effect. That obviously can include a "majority". A lower option is that, especially in the United States, in elections, plurality means what you say, which is what we seem to know it as. Yet Adrian is using it in the context of a poll, not an election. I assumed that a poll he is citing as clearly indicating whether Americans do or don't support mass deportations would have those two options, and not other options like an election does, which gives rise to the reason for defining plurality differently from majority. Therefore, the poll would show either a majority in favor or a majority not in favor. My thinking was in using the term plurality instead of majority Adrian was attempting to make the reader think it was a plurality like we are used to in election usage, which means mass deportations is favored by the tiniest of margins, when in reality it is a majority, which is correct under the first definition option. In other words, he was trying to make the reader feel as if the margin of difference was less definitive than it was. So I googled "poll mass deportation" and the top result I got was an article (The Hill 18 September) about the recent poll showing 54% in favor. A very quick peruse down the googled choices showed nothing that seemed to contradict this, so I went with my explanation of the circumstances. Perhaps I have done Adrian a great injustice, and there is another answer. But my guess is that I haven't. Maybe Adrian will read this and pop in with an explanation. I am prepared to get down and apologize on bended knee if I am wrong in my assumption.
When the products of the Great Valley of California and the meat producing plants of the Midwest/Great Plains spiral in price, we'll see how long DJT continues his indiscriminate mass deportations.
What I want from the media is objective and factual reporting of what is happening.
I don't want advocacy journalism or cell phone social media "journalism" designed to overwhelm reason with emotion and create multiple narratives of events. I want to see fewer journalists covering the raids of work places and more covering the detention centers and the courtrooms where the detained are processed. Also detailed interviews with everyone who is erroneously detained due to racial/ethnic profiling.
I am also curious as to how many (if any) of the 750,000 Europeans, Israelis, East Asians who are here after overstaying their visas and never came near the border are tracked, detained and deported.
"The bourgeoise has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation."
"The modern state is but a committee for managing the affairs of the bourgeoise."
"The bourgeoise has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and revered. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the scientist, into its paid wage-laborers."
These quotes are from the first five pages of The Communist Manifesto. It's an excellent book and every American should read it today. Americans have been told to avoid Marx on purpose. Marx has the answer to our problems.
Please get Paola Ramos on a podcast. She has terrific insights.
There will be content.....video of brown people being frogged marched. Does Stephen Miller get his way and apply it broadly or just as an instrument of terror and determent and entertainment for MAGA? We'll see.
Very glad to have someone dedicated to this beat at the Bulwark!
do you think the media, based on their failure to make The Donald's crimes and ambitions, lacks the cajones to say anything.
For the most part, the media in this country and tv have been under the control of the oligarchs since Reagan deregulated these news sources in the 80s. This led to monopolization of these infonews outlets, led to the rise of right wing antiamerican content, and the crowning of Rush Limbaugh by The Donald with the Medal of Freedom.
Do you realize that our government, courts and media are all owned by imperial capitalists? Their mission is to destroy the regulatory world so they can run rampant, continue to stuff their pockets with greenbacks, destroy our country and then move on to the next country They will then rape and pillage them under the guise of ant-communism like they have done since the 50s.
Who are the real terrorists? MAGApublicans, The Donald and the oligarch puppeteers who make MAGA and The Donald dance to and implement their musical score.
Thank you for this column about immigration issues. I will quote from it to inform friends unaware or ignorant of the impact of "mass deportations".
I remember the stories of children going to school that day only to find their parents had been swept up in the meat packing plant raids.
Thank you, Adrian, for bringing this important perspective to us.
Those of us who only hear about all the 'hand-outs' to immigrants who are here illegally, need to see the true impact of those who are just here to work and feed their families:
Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal,
state, and local taxes in 2022.
In California, undocumented immigrants contributed $8.5 billion in
state and local taxes in 2022.
Welcome, Adrian!
There are administrative and legislative paths that can largely achieve the same goals in a more orderly fashion, but that mitigates the tough guy bullshit, which is most of the point, I suppose.
Thank you so much for this. I’ve just subscribed, because of the many, many issues of concern facing us under a Trump administration, this one frightens me the most. I will read your coverage and will look for ways to help protect people in my own community. Fear must not hold us back from taking a stand. One of the most effective tools against fear is real information; the facts about what is actually happening will hopefully empower many of us to act. Again, my thanks!
Another of Reagan's sins was to stop punishing businesses that hired undocumented immigrants. That is at the bottom of the whole immigration mess.
"Ramos, the MSNBC and Telemundo contributor, argued that the media was, to a large degree, responsible for moving the audience to the right on immigration."
Hol' up a minute.
How can this be?
Tim and Sarah have assured us that "the media" isn't responsible for moving voters towards Trump.
Welcome, Adrian. A word of caution, though. The reason most of us absorb the Bulwark as our chief source of information is that we have bought into the "nothing but the unvarnished truth" bit. We don't want to be snowed. Someone can correct me if I am wrong here, but Adrian's "polls show the plurality of Americans" support mass deportations leaves a bad smell. While a "plurality" may technically be used to mean "majority", amongst the American politically aware class (which all of us who absorb the Bulwark are) it has come to mean less than a majority. It is "majority-lite" if you will. To use it here instead of using "majority" smells like the writer is prioritizing persuasion in his content rather than "the unvarnished truth". Please discontinue this practice if you want my continued readership.
Kevin - I believe you are wrong about the definition of plurality. My Merriam-Webster states that it is "not more than half the total votes cast," i.e. by definition, NOT a majority. How can that "technically" mean a majority?
Although Adrian didn't cite which poll, I take him to be quoting a poll that found LESS than a majority support mass deportations, but in numbers higher than other choices in the poll. So that's exactly what he wrote.
I don't understand your objection. Are you saying that a majority of Americans does support mass deportations? Source please?
...or are you saying you believe there is LESS than majority support, but you don't like the way Adrian reported that fact?
I have looked up the definition of plurality online with a few sources (now, after reading your reply, J AZ, including Merriam-Webster), and the first option that comes up is "a large number", or pretty much to that effect. That obviously can include a "majority". A lower option is that, especially in the United States, in elections, plurality means what you say, which is what we seem to know it as. Yet Adrian is using it in the context of a poll, not an election. I assumed that a poll he is citing as clearly indicating whether Americans do or don't support mass deportations would have those two options, and not other options like an election does, which gives rise to the reason for defining plurality differently from majority. Therefore, the poll would show either a majority in favor or a majority not in favor. My thinking was in using the term plurality instead of majority Adrian was attempting to make the reader think it was a plurality like we are used to in election usage, which means mass deportations is favored by the tiniest of margins, when in reality it is a majority, which is correct under the first definition option. In other words, he was trying to make the reader feel as if the margin of difference was less definitive than it was. So I googled "poll mass deportation" and the top result I got was an article (The Hill 18 September) about the recent poll showing 54% in favor. A very quick peruse down the googled choices showed nothing that seemed to contradict this, so I went with my explanation of the circumstances. Perhaps I have done Adrian a great injustice, and there is another answer. But my guess is that I haven't. Maybe Adrian will read this and pop in with an explanation. I am prepared to get down and apologize on bended knee if I am wrong in my assumption.