If Trump were even close to a "normal" president-elect, I might then object to the pardon of Hunter Biden. But, he is not. He has said - over and over - that he intends to seek retribution against his perceived enemies - which is anyone who does not tell him he's the fairest of them all. No one should doubt that had Pres Biden not pardon…
If Trump were even close to a "normal" president-elect, I might then object to the pardon of Hunter Biden. But, he is not. He has said - over and over - that he intends to seek retribution against his perceived enemies - which is anyone who does not tell him he's the fairest of them all. No one should doubt that had Pres Biden not pardoned his son - and so broadly at that - that Hunter Biden would have ended up dead in some US prison somewhere. I have zero doubts about that. Zero. Biden should now pardon all who Trump has promised revenge on... all of them... and everyone else - stop the whining. It is really unbecoming.
I also agree. No one's going to care about this next week. What's coming from Trump is uniquely dangerous, it's real, and it's close. Yes, the optics of the pardon are bad, but this is an extraordinarily menacing situation. Bring on more pardons.
I believe that President Biden should confer blanket pardons on anyone & everyone who has challenged tRump or tried to hold him to the “rule of law”. I put that phrase in quotes because I no longer believe that’s what we have in the US. Suck it, Rethuglicans, if you don’t like it
I agree. I wrote in yesterday’s comments that I expected Hunter Biden would end up dead in prison during a Trump administration. Look what happened to Jeffrey Epstein.
Yes! Biden didn’t put his family ahead of his country, he put one member of his family out of the reach of a maniac. I’m bothered by the fact that he broke his promise not to pardon Hunter, and I wish someone other than his father had been able to grant the pardon, but it is what is is. Now Biden should protect as many people as he can think of from the coming retribution.
I’m guessing that when Biden said he would not pardon Hunter, he wasn’t imagining Trump winning and also taking instant significant steps towards an extreme agenda of retribution. We have a lot more information now than Biden had then.
Thanks Vicki. I agree. I refer anyone who wants to argue that Biden should not have pardoned Hunter to Heather Cox Richardson's excellent review of exactly why Hunter is one of Trump's top targets. (See today's Letters from an American by Richardson.) You should also read Joyce White Vance's essay in her Civil Discourse blog that explains why she, a former federal prosecutor, and most of her colleagues would not have brought charges against Hunter.
Would this case have been brought at all if Hunter were not Joe Biden's son? Joe Biden doesn't think so, and I'm sure that part of his decision to issue the pardon is a feeling of guilt that his own ambition made Hunter vulnerable to people like Trump who wanted to use him for their own purposes.
You have but to look at Trump's clear intention while he was campaigning and now that he has been elected to see that revenge and retribution are the only reason he ran (along with clearing away the federal charges against him, of course.) The hypocrisy here is not Biden's. It is Trump's. Having lied and cheated throughout his life with absolutely no consequences, Trump wants to persecute others who have never done or even thought of doing, what Trump has already been convicted of doing.
Kash Patel has long been obsessed with prosecuting Hunter Biden as has James Comer, who spent two years trying to find some crime that Joe and Hunter committed and came up completely empty. Patel's comments since being nominated to run the FBI tell you that even if all you were doing was your job, you are now a target. Add to that Elon Musk who has now identified people by name on X who are simply in positions he doesn't like. Those people have been getting death threats.
Adam Serwer's article in the Atlantic and his subsequent book The Cruelty is the Point says it all. Trump is out to harm other people, and he now has almost unlimited power to do so. If Trump was determined to destroy one of your kids, would you not act to save him/her? I would. If someone was aiming a gun at my son, I would take the bullet instead because I'm his mother. If you would not, what kind of parent are you?
This is exactly the point. Democrats have behaved as if there is a reasonable expectation the other side will adhere to moral standards and shudder to think if Dems didn't do the same. Get real! Dems bring knives to a knife fight and Republicans bring nukes. If I were Biden I'd hand out pardons like they are candy. Wake up Dems! They also need someone like Rahm Emanuel as head of the DNC.
Great analysis! Now we don’t have any party to uphold the rule of law, which proves MAGA’s point; democrats are just as hypocritical as MAGA, except MAGA never claimed the mantle of moral superiority; they revel in duplicity, hypocrisy and vengeance!
That said, why are you willing to die on a hill for an entitled crackhead? Did he pardon all the people who are also on Trump’s naughty list, who didn’t commit crimes? Or is this just Newton’s third law of physics in play: for every action, there is an equal opposite reaction? And we’re seeing an overwhelming reaction in support of Biden; a man who is proving once and for all, he’s just as petty and narcissistic as Trump!
So once all is said and done, where does all this abuse of power finally end? It certainly doesn’t solve the problem of Trump’s next administration. It only helps him in confirming unqualified imbeciles, who aren’t fit to serve us dinner! Yet, here we are!…:)
It is his son. And MAGA will come for him. That's a given. The norms are gone, and you, Bill, Tim, Sara & JVL need to realize that. I grew up where one wrong does not make a right or if you can't say anything nice. That's gone too. I would not sacrifice my son to MAGA. Trump will do what he's going to do no matter what Biden does. Totally disagree with you and all the rest of The Bulwark.
No, I’m comparing the hypocrisy. No one forced Biden to take a stand, especially given Trump’s proclivity for vengeance. My issue is that his word is as meaningless as Trump’s. You can’t have it both ways; you either respect the rule, of law or you don’t.
Hunter was found guilty by a jury of his peers. If we’re outraged with all the court interventions to help Trump, a convicted criminal, then you can’t seriously support or justify what Biden is doing for his son!
If any pardons should be given, it’s to people who truly put their lives on the line in the name of justice. Hunter is not one of them, and this pardon only serves to confirm MAGA’s suspicions: Democrats are all hat, and no cattle!
So please tell me how democrats move forward with any credibility; especially given that Trump is going to not only break the law, he’s going to re-write them!
How is pardoning his son which the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, gives him the authority to do without any constraint except in cases of impeachment disrespecing the rule of law?
It’s disrespecting the rule of law, because he said he wouldn’t pardon Hunter in order to uphold the rule of law.
As I’ve stated previously, Biden wasn’t asked to make that BOLD statement, but once he did, he is supposed to keep his word! After all, wasn’t it Biden who claimed that Trump was abusing his power by pardoning criminals who didn’t even complete their sentences, and never showed even an ounce of remorse or contrition!
Has Hunter even shown any remorse? No, like Trump, he’s a victim and the trial was politically motivated, even though, it was Garland who appointed the special counsel.
We can debate whether it was warranted or not, but the fact is that Garland was appointed by Biden, and it was he, who made the decision to keep the Hunter investigation open.
Sandy, I’ve learned a long time ago, to pick and choose my battles wisely; this isn’t a battle I’m willing to fight for. All we’re doing is strengthening Trump’s hand to help him confirm his worst nominee’s and to help him implement his most draconian agendas. And his sycophants in Congress will use the pardon as an excuse of democratic hypocrisy to help him achieve his goals of authoritarianism.
Hunter has shown remorse. He was mentally ill and in a state of depression and irrationality when he bought and disposed of that gun without ever loading it. He did not have control of his faculties nor did he do anything with intent to harm anyone. He has paid the late taxes and worked to rehabilitate himself. He has always been a target of MAGA simply because of the circumstances of his birth
I was thinking more in terms of his lies about the laptop. He allowed over 100 former high level military and Intelligence officials to sign a letter stating that it was most likely a Russian disinformation campaign.
Hunter knew the entire time that it was real, yet he allowed his dad and so many others believe he was a victim. And when Trump colludes with Putin again, or shares intelligence with him, who is going to believe these people now? Trump will call it a hoax and fake news, and the public skeptical!
Hunter Biden’s crime isn’t a death penalty case. If Hunter went to prison during a Trump administration, he would never come out. He would meet with mysterious “misadventure” similar to Jeffrey Epstein.
Actually, I think Trump would pardon him, acting magnanimously, while parading Hunter around to praise the anointed one in all his glory! Trump loves to humiliate people; his best form of revenge and punishment!….:)
Yes, they will use it to criticize Democrats as hypocrites. They are already doing so.
That was the rock Biden was facing on one side. The hard place on the other side was what a Trump-run Bureau of Prisons, who will not respect the rule of law, would do to his incarcerated son. He valued protecting his son more than not giving the Republicans fodder for their criticism of Democrats. In that, IMO, he made the right choice.
Right or wrong is irrelevant. Let’s see how this plays out! Trump may get his spineless senate to confirm all his highly unqualified candidates, using this as an excuse.
Furthermore, the issue is whether he’ll be able to continually use this incident to convey democrats as being corrupt! And that’s all that matters; not what you or I think, but whether they can sell it to the American people: repeatedly, while destroying the administrative state in the process!
And let’s face it, they already have half the media, including social media, in their pocket!….:)
When you say right or wrong is irrelevant, you mean to how Trump will use it and how the People will see it. And that that is the issue. Is that correct?
If so, are you also saying Biden should have allowed the lawless Trump administration to incarcerate his son and put his life at risk in order to prevent the Republicans from having an incident to give them a talking point that Democrats are corrupt, which is not the case in this incident, but doesn't matter because the People aren't capable of understanding that and will only understand what right-wing media [AKA propaganda] says?
If so, you are saying it was politically unwise, yes? Not immoral or dishonorable as JVL and Sarah said yesterday, just politically unwise and that is your objection to the pardon. Yes?
You didn't answer my question. Are you saying the pardon was politically unwise? Not immoral or dishonorable as JVL and Sarah said yesterday, just politically unwise. Yes or no?
First off, you don’t know that he’ll be thrown in jail. He may not see jail time from the judge, or even if sentenced, he will appeal under the same bond conditions, which could take years.
That said, Trump may even pardon him and show mercy just to rub it into the libs and to mercilessly humiliate him by making him sing the praises of the furor, I mean anointed one!
And seriously, your justification for the pardon is that he may go to jail and be treated badly? So where are the pardons for Jack Smith or General Milley? That’s right, family first!
He doesn’t have to explicitly say it Sandy, it’s implied. And I’m not looking for an argument. I’m just making the case that for many Americans, they cannot distinguish the difference in abuse of power between Trump and Biden, and it speaks volumes about the American electorate.
However, it’s a bad look when the party’s message is, “we uphold the rule of law.” Then when it’s not convenient: we don’t! Now we don’t have much to separate us from MAGA in the minds of voters who make the difference on Election Day.
And whether Biden has the right or not, is irrelevant, since we’re not the people who need convincing!
Oh, it's implied. You made an affirmative statement; silly me to not get you were merely implying. And that you were only speaking for the voters.
This is important because your criticism rests on what Biden promised and its relationship to the rule of law. A pardon is not disrespecting or not upholding the rule of law. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives the president unrestricted authority to pardon except in cases of impeachment. There is no question that he has the right.
No one’s arguing whether he has the right! However, he said he wouldn’t. Thats the point! And Indont care that things changed; they didn’t! Trump was running when the statement was made, so I’ll assume Biden fully understood that Trump could win, and we’d be in this predicament! I know you’ll disagree, so duly noted!
That said, why did he bother to say he wouldn’t pardon Hunter, if it isn’t to protect the integrity of the justice system? What exactly would his reasoning be to make such a BOLD statement? Please educate me? No one put a gun to his head! He volunteered this to the American public on his own accord.
And let’s face it, we’re not dealing with some innocent kid! Hunter has been living off the family name his entire adult life. And although we know what Trump and his kids have done is far worse; it doesn’t change the fact that Biden is showing himself to be a narcissistic hypocrite since he decided to run for reelection! And this is the end result of that decision!
If Biden is so concerned with Trump’s retribution, why didn’t he pardon innocent people in Trump’s crosshairs; like Jack Smith, or Adam Schiff? Like most people, it’s family and self interest first, and foremost, everyone else is on their own!
And lastly, I honestly find this issue to be just another tedious distraction, which is why it’s not even worth discussing it any further!…:)
Biden could have put his own son in prison personally and Trump would still be an authoritarian and nominate the worst people and go after those he thinks wronged him. He doesn't need any excuse.
I hope Biden pardons himself and Kamala on January 19.
I said, Trump doesn’t need an excuse, but it’s not Trump we’re trying to change. It’s the minds of the tens of millions, who may not like Trump, but voted for him anyway.
You think I personally disagree with you guys on the points? I don’t! I’d have no issue with the pardon, had it not been for Biden’s promise to uphold the rule of law, regardless of the outcome of the trial. That said, I’m also commenting from the perspective of average Americans who don’t share your worldview, or our view of Trump.
Do you know what I hear talking to Trump voters in Florida? It’s one of two things: they know he’s corrupt, but he shakes things up, and they know what they are getting. And the other is, democrats are just as corrupt; Biden is too old and corrupt; and Harris is a liar and incompetent.
So now that we have shredded the last of our credibility, what’s your plan to fight back? Other than I’m glad we’re finally fighting back with a pardon; to a criminal, by the way!
If Trump were even close to a "normal" president-elect, I might then object to the pardon of Hunter Biden. But, he is not. He has said - over and over - that he intends to seek retribution against his perceived enemies - which is anyone who does not tell him he's the fairest of them all. No one should doubt that had Pres Biden not pardoned his son - and so broadly at that - that Hunter Biden would have ended up dead in some US prison somewhere. I have zero doubts about that. Zero. Biden should now pardon all who Trump has promised revenge on... all of them... and everyone else - stop the whining. It is really unbecoming.
Perfectly said.
https://open.substack.com/pub/meidastouch/p/the-big-reason-why-hunters-pardon?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1wbr1r
I also agree. No one's going to care about this next week. What's coming from Trump is uniquely dangerous, it's real, and it's close. Yes, the optics of the pardon are bad, but this is an extraordinarily menacing situation. Bring on more pardons.
https://open.substack.com/pub/meidastouch/p/the-big-reason-why-hunters-pardon?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1wbr1r
This is the best article I have read and the bulwark folks should read it and take it to heart.
I believe that President Biden should confer blanket pardons on anyone & everyone who has challenged tRump or tried to hold him to the “rule of law”. I put that phrase in quotes because I no longer believe that’s what we have in the US. Suck it, Rethuglicans, if you don’t like it
Or to quote the Trumptards, "Fuck your feelings!"
Biden is whining?
I agree. I wrote in yesterday’s comments that I expected Hunter Biden would end up dead in prison during a Trump administration. Look what happened to Jeffrey Epstein.
https://open.substack.com/pub/meidastouch/p/the-big-reason-why-hunters-pardon?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1wbr1r
Thanks for that link. I follow MeidasTouchNetwork when it pops up on YouTube, but I need to read it regularly.
Yes! Biden didn’t put his family ahead of his country, he put one member of his family out of the reach of a maniac. I’m bothered by the fact that he broke his promise not to pardon Hunter, and I wish someone other than his father had been able to grant the pardon, but it is what is is. Now Biden should protect as many people as he can think of from the coming retribution.
I’m guessing that when Biden said he would not pardon Hunter, he wasn’t imagining Trump winning and also taking instant significant steps towards an extreme agenda of retribution. We have a lot more information now than Biden had then.
Thanks Vicki. I agree. I refer anyone who wants to argue that Biden should not have pardoned Hunter to Heather Cox Richardson's excellent review of exactly why Hunter is one of Trump's top targets. (See today's Letters from an American by Richardson.) You should also read Joyce White Vance's essay in her Civil Discourse blog that explains why she, a former federal prosecutor, and most of her colleagues would not have brought charges against Hunter.
Would this case have been brought at all if Hunter were not Joe Biden's son? Joe Biden doesn't think so, and I'm sure that part of his decision to issue the pardon is a feeling of guilt that his own ambition made Hunter vulnerable to people like Trump who wanted to use him for their own purposes.
You have but to look at Trump's clear intention while he was campaigning and now that he has been elected to see that revenge and retribution are the only reason he ran (along with clearing away the federal charges against him, of course.) The hypocrisy here is not Biden's. It is Trump's. Having lied and cheated throughout his life with absolutely no consequences, Trump wants to persecute others who have never done or even thought of doing, what Trump has already been convicted of doing.
Kash Patel has long been obsessed with prosecuting Hunter Biden as has James Comer, who spent two years trying to find some crime that Joe and Hunter committed and came up completely empty. Patel's comments since being nominated to run the FBI tell you that even if all you were doing was your job, you are now a target. Add to that Elon Musk who has now identified people by name on X who are simply in positions he doesn't like. Those people have been getting death threats.
Adam Serwer's article in the Atlantic and his subsequent book The Cruelty is the Point says it all. Trump is out to harm other people, and he now has almost unlimited power to do so. If Trump was determined to destroy one of your kids, would you not act to save him/her? I would. If someone was aiming a gun at my son, I would take the bullet instead because I'm his mother. If you would not, what kind of parent are you?
Agree. Here’s the link to Richardson’s substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/december-2-2024?r=5hhvl&utm_medium=ios
This is exactly the point. Democrats have behaved as if there is a reasonable expectation the other side will adhere to moral standards and shudder to think if Dems didn't do the same. Get real! Dems bring knives to a knife fight and Republicans bring nukes. If I were Biden I'd hand out pardons like they are candy. Wake up Dems! They also need someone like Rahm Emanuel as head of the DNC.
Rahm E. Really ?
Yes, the Dems need a junk yard dog not a milquetoast guy or gal to speak the usual talking points.
Agree with everything but the comment about Rahm Emanuel.
I'm not sure I agree either. Why don't you?
Great analysis! Now we don’t have any party to uphold the rule of law, which proves MAGA’s point; democrats are just as hypocritical as MAGA, except MAGA never claimed the mantle of moral superiority; they revel in duplicity, hypocrisy and vengeance!
That said, why are you willing to die on a hill for an entitled crackhead? Did he pardon all the people who are also on Trump’s naughty list, who didn’t commit crimes? Or is this just Newton’s third law of physics in play: for every action, there is an equal opposite reaction? And we’re seeing an overwhelming reaction in support of Biden; a man who is proving once and for all, he’s just as petty and narcissistic as Trump!
So once all is said and done, where does all this abuse of power finally end? It certainly doesn’t solve the problem of Trump’s next administration. It only helps him in confirming unqualified imbeciles, who aren’t fit to serve us dinner! Yet, here we are!…:)
It is his son. And MAGA will come for him. That's a given. The norms are gone, and you, Bill, Tim, Sara & JVL need to realize that. I grew up where one wrong does not make a right or if you can't say anything nice. That's gone too. I would not sacrifice my son to MAGA. Trump will do what he's going to do no matter what Biden does. Totally disagree with you and all the rest of The Bulwark.
So you're equating Joe Biden's pardon of his son as the same abuse of power Trump displayed during his first term as president?
Really?
No, I’m comparing the hypocrisy. No one forced Biden to take a stand, especially given Trump’s proclivity for vengeance. My issue is that his word is as meaningless as Trump’s. You can’t have it both ways; you either respect the rule, of law or you don’t.
Hunter was found guilty by a jury of his peers. If we’re outraged with all the court interventions to help Trump, a convicted criminal, then you can’t seriously support or justify what Biden is doing for his son!
If any pardons should be given, it’s to people who truly put their lives on the line in the name of justice. Hunter is not one of them, and this pardon only serves to confirm MAGA’s suspicions: Democrats are all hat, and no cattle!
So please tell me how democrats move forward with any credibility; especially given that Trump is going to not only break the law, he’s going to re-write them!
How is pardoning his son which the Constitution, the supreme law of the land, gives him the authority to do without any constraint except in cases of impeachment disrespecing the rule of law?
It’s disrespecting the rule of law, because he said he wouldn’t pardon Hunter in order to uphold the rule of law.
As I’ve stated previously, Biden wasn’t asked to make that BOLD statement, but once he did, he is supposed to keep his word! After all, wasn’t it Biden who claimed that Trump was abusing his power by pardoning criminals who didn’t even complete their sentences, and never showed even an ounce of remorse or contrition!
Has Hunter even shown any remorse? No, like Trump, he’s a victim and the trial was politically motivated, even though, it was Garland who appointed the special counsel.
We can debate whether it was warranted or not, but the fact is that Garland was appointed by Biden, and it was he, who made the decision to keep the Hunter investigation open.
Sandy, I’ve learned a long time ago, to pick and choose my battles wisely; this isn’t a battle I’m willing to fight for. All we’re doing is strengthening Trump’s hand to help him confirm his worst nominee’s and to help him implement his most draconian agendas. And his sycophants in Congress will use the pardon as an excuse of democratic hypocrisy to help him achieve his goals of authoritarianism.
Hunter has shown remorse. He was mentally ill and in a state of depression and irrationality when he bought and disposed of that gun without ever loading it. He did not have control of his faculties nor did he do anything with intent to harm anyone. He has paid the late taxes and worked to rehabilitate himself. He has always been a target of MAGA simply because of the circumstances of his birth
I was thinking more in terms of his lies about the laptop. He allowed over 100 former high level military and Intelligence officials to sign a letter stating that it was most likely a Russian disinformation campaign.
Hunter knew the entire time that it was real, yet he allowed his dad and so many others believe he was a victim. And when Trump colludes with Putin again, or shares intelligence with him, who is going to believe these people now? Trump will call it a hoax and fake news, and the public skeptical!
That’s my point!….:)
Hunter Biden’s crime isn’t a death penalty case. If Hunter went to prison during a Trump administration, he would never come out. He would meet with mysterious “misadventure” similar to Jeffrey Epstein.
Actually, I think Trump would pardon him, acting magnanimously, while parading Hunter around to praise the anointed one in all his glory! Trump loves to humiliate people; his best form of revenge and punishment!….:)
Yes, they will use it to criticize Democrats as hypocrites. They are already doing so.
That was the rock Biden was facing on one side. The hard place on the other side was what a Trump-run Bureau of Prisons, who will not respect the rule of law, would do to his incarcerated son. He valued protecting his son more than not giving the Republicans fodder for their criticism of Democrats. In that, IMO, he made the right choice.
Right or wrong is irrelevant. Let’s see how this plays out! Trump may get his spineless senate to confirm all his highly unqualified candidates, using this as an excuse.
Furthermore, the issue is whether he’ll be able to continually use this incident to convey democrats as being corrupt! And that’s all that matters; not what you or I think, but whether they can sell it to the American people: repeatedly, while destroying the administrative state in the process!
And let’s face it, they already have half the media, including social media, in their pocket!….:)
When you say right or wrong is irrelevant, you mean to how Trump will use it and how the People will see it. And that that is the issue. Is that correct?
If so, are you also saying Biden should have allowed the lawless Trump administration to incarcerate his son and put his life at risk in order to prevent the Republicans from having an incident to give them a talking point that Democrats are corrupt, which is not the case in this incident, but doesn't matter because the People aren't capable of understanding that and will only understand what right-wing media [AKA propaganda] says?
If so, you are saying it was politically unwise, yes? Not immoral or dishonorable as JVL and Sarah said yesterday, just politically unwise and that is your objection to the pardon. Yes?
You didn't answer my question. Are you saying the pardon was politically unwise? Not immoral or dishonorable as JVL and Sarah said yesterday, just politically unwise. Yes or no?
First off, you don’t know that he’ll be thrown in jail. He may not see jail time from the judge, or even if sentenced, he will appeal under the same bond conditions, which could take years.
That said, Trump may even pardon him and show mercy just to rub it into the libs and to mercilessly humiliate him by making him sing the praises of the furor, I mean anointed one!
And seriously, your justification for the pardon is that he may go to jail and be treated badly? So where are the pardons for Jack Smith or General Milley? That’s right, family first!
Please show me where he said he wouldn’t pardon Hunter in order to uphold the rule of law.
He doesn’t have to explicitly say it Sandy, it’s implied. And I’m not looking for an argument. I’m just making the case that for many Americans, they cannot distinguish the difference in abuse of power between Trump and Biden, and it speaks volumes about the American electorate.
However, it’s a bad look when the party’s message is, “we uphold the rule of law.” Then when it’s not convenient: we don’t! Now we don’t have much to separate us from MAGA in the minds of voters who make the difference on Election Day.
And whether Biden has the right or not, is irrelevant, since we’re not the people who need convincing!
Oh, it's implied. You made an affirmative statement; silly me to not get you were merely implying. And that you were only speaking for the voters.
This is important because your criticism rests on what Biden promised and its relationship to the rule of law. A pardon is not disrespecting or not upholding the rule of law. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives the president unrestricted authority to pardon except in cases of impeachment. There is no question that he has the right.
No one’s arguing whether he has the right! However, he said he wouldn’t. Thats the point! And Indont care that things changed; they didn’t! Trump was running when the statement was made, so I’ll assume Biden fully understood that Trump could win, and we’d be in this predicament! I know you’ll disagree, so duly noted!
That said, why did he bother to say he wouldn’t pardon Hunter, if it isn’t to protect the integrity of the justice system? What exactly would his reasoning be to make such a BOLD statement? Please educate me? No one put a gun to his head! He volunteered this to the American public on his own accord.
And let’s face it, we’re not dealing with some innocent kid! Hunter has been living off the family name his entire adult life. And although we know what Trump and his kids have done is far worse; it doesn’t change the fact that Biden is showing himself to be a narcissistic hypocrite since he decided to run for reelection! And this is the end result of that decision!
If Biden is so concerned with Trump’s retribution, why didn’t he pardon innocent people in Trump’s crosshairs; like Jack Smith, or Adam Schiff? Like most people, it’s family and self interest first, and foremost, everyone else is on their own!
And lastly, I honestly find this issue to be just another tedious distraction, which is why it’s not even worth discussing it any further!…:)
Nope.
Biden could have put his own son in prison personally and Trump would still be an authoritarian and nominate the worst people and go after those he thinks wronged him. He doesn't need any excuse.
I hope Biden pardons himself and Kamala on January 19.
I said, Trump doesn’t need an excuse, but it’s not Trump we’re trying to change. It’s the minds of the tens of millions, who may not like Trump, but voted for him anyway.
You think I personally disagree with you guys on the points? I don’t! I’d have no issue with the pardon, had it not been for Biden’s promise to uphold the rule of law, regardless of the outcome of the trial. That said, I’m also commenting from the perspective of average Americans who don’t share your worldview, or our view of Trump.
Do you know what I hear talking to Trump voters in Florida? It’s one of two things: they know he’s corrupt, but he shakes things up, and they know what they are getting. And the other is, democrats are just as corrupt; Biden is too old and corrupt; and Harris is a liar and incompetent.
So now that we have shredded the last of our credibility, what’s your plan to fight back? Other than I’m glad we’re finally fighting back with a pardon; to a criminal, by the way!