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Thanks to Linda for digging up this information about the Howell Code. It would be great if it could be expanded into a full article in the Bulwark so that its many horrors could be more widely exposed.
For probably the only time in my life I can provide some insight to the great Bill Galston.
In this universe there were no circumstances in which the Republican Party would have moved on from Donald Trump. The first impeachment was irrelevant. They watched their capitol building get ransacked and did not care. The only way those Republicans would've voted to impeach Donald Trump was if the punishment was to restore him to his rightful place as President for Life.
Now in an alternate universe quantum mechanically speaking, you would need some sort of Star Trek space rupture or Stargate quantum mirror to check out those universes. But in this universe there is nothing Donald Trump can do that would cause these Republicans to do anything meaningful about it.
I disagree so much with bill. Not his politics. I bet we are pretty close there but his analysis. He treats politics today likes it’s 1995 where the media isn’t heavily siloed and the voters haven’t been brainwashed consistently for 30 years.
We are in a completely different universe where some impeachment didn’t happen or Biden didn’t try to do x or y or z. The Republican Party has been moving in a straight line the last 15 years…and it is accelerating.
Let me give you the craziest counterfactual (I’m not sure this would be true but I have been batting it around): what if Hillary won. Now some would say “god we would have avoided all of this. Republicans would have snapped back to normal. Blah blah blah.” I disagree. I think the Republican Party might be WORSE. 8 years of a black president followed by 4 or 8 years of a woman? My god the backlash in red states would be CRAZY. mtg might look normal ;-)
It's difficult to understand why the panelist would think that the first impeachment of the former president was somehow a bad idea that might have led to the impeachment of President Biden. It all stems from the same motivations...find some dirt on Joe Biden. At least the actions complained about in the first impeachment were done while the former president was in office.
Do doctors "automatically" prescribe puberty blockers for dysphoria? I'd have to see studies on that before I'd accept the idea that these things are passed out so readily.
I cannot say this enough, Roe did not allow abortions up to and through month nine it was fetal viability which was somewhere between 22-24 weeks. Only 6-7 states pre Dobbs even allowed abortion beyond week 24. Those abortions were not done in a clinic but in hospitals because of the risks involved. I am so tired of people walking around talking about these months 9 abortions that never happened. Ask OB's - politicians who talk this way are FUCKING STUPID.
It’s very frustrating. Those are wanted pregnancies that are ending due to something terminal. They must be awful to experience but are medically necessary and shame on everyone who implies they are anything but.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for making the Cass Report your "highlight of the week". Sadly, I have to say, be prepared for a deluge of hate mail, perhaps even death threats. Already this morning, there was a comment on the pod's page in the Substack from a subscriber who thinks some people might not feel "safe" because of people who don't agree to participate in his (her? their? xer's? its?) delusions.
I won't take your time cataloging what I see as the most dangerous lies of a preposterous ideology whose lobbying has been well funded by a couple of billionaire fetishists. My own interest in the controversies is as an 80 year old gay man who sees the hard-won advances of the last four decades toward gay equality in peril of going down the drain because of the 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 backlash against the outlandish demands of the radical trans ideologues. I spent too much time attending the rallies, too much effort marching in the parades, and most of all, invested too much of my emotional resources speaking to not entirely friendly audiences to see the accomplishments of so many people like me being lost, all because of the nonsense a bunch of postmodernist academics in the Grievance Studies and English Literature departments of elite universities are demanding with the support of a couple of very rich men
NOTE: tried sending as private message through Substack but wouldn't transmit
I'm of the ALWAY'S PREFERRED/ FAVORED since 1776. Class. Aka white STR8 reasonably attractive ( if ya don't think THIS matters, you probably aren't IT & never had a friend who had IT) and reasonably intelligent.
I say all that because would ANYONE on the podcast, in the comment thread here, feel welcomed & safe if you were TRANS? SAFE & WELCOME LIKE I FEEL SAFE AND Welcome? You know, as an American... in AMERICA! ESPECIALLY IN RED STATES? Honestly, would you? At a minimum I'm not sure I'd feel welcome in MOST STATES... AS A AMERICAN IN AMERICA! MAYBE REPUBLICANS and their BIGOTED ILK OF GRIEVANCE OR DIFFERENT = BAD or just plain piece of 💩 ppl should think about this. If I were TRANS would I feel as safe in TEXAS, MISSOURI, SOUTH CAROLINA, FLORIDA, ARKANSAS, OKLAHOMA, KENTUCKY, MISSISSIPPI, LOUISIANA,? The REAL QUESTION IS..... WHY WOULD I FEEL SAFE THERE? SEEMS OUTSIDE certain parts of CA, NY, WHY USING LOGIC, USING WHAT TRANS PEOPLE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, HOW AS A LOGICAL, REASONABLE PERSON WOULD THEY FEEL WELCOMED AND /OR SAFE.... IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY? WE ALL OUTTA THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN THINKING OF THE TYPES OF PPL WHO MAKE TRANS PPL AND THE MINISCULE, MICROSCOPIC ISSUES THAT ARISE INTO THE DEVIL IN ABOUT HALF THE COUNTRY AND AN ANNOYANCE IN THE Other HALF. SEEMS LIKE THE REAL HUGE PROBLEMS, THE ACTUAL DEVIL'S ARE THE ANTI TRANS OR DEHUMANIZING TRANS PEOPLe.
IMAGINE ..YOU are TRANS.. HEY I FEEL SAFE GOING TO A STATE WHERE THE HEAD OF THAT STATES GOVT, POLICE, NATL GUARD IS HOSTILE TOWARDS TRANS.. .. YAY U FEEL SAFE AND WELCOME THERE! RIGHT? YA SHOULDN'T IF YOUR A NORMAL FEELING PERSON. THIS IS THE UNITED STATES AND WE'VE ALLOWED, HELL VOLUNTARILY VOTED IN LEADERS WHO CONSTANTLY MAKE A WHOLE GROUP OF PPL ( EXCEPT ME.. THE WHITE STR8 MALE) UNWELCOME OR UNSAFE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. ITS PATHETIC.
Oh no. Not the late. But m trying to remember where I heard him talk about it (the surgeon). There is a point where he can’t go beyond but I don’t remember what it was. Trust me I was as surprised as you are. I thought it was be like 9 out of 10 for women who were going to die or baby issues. It was closer to 4 out 10.
He was saying the 2 biggest reasons were (1) something happened to the man during the pregnancy and (2) financial issues.
That guy is one of the rare people that does those procedures. Of course he is going to see some extreme behavior. That doesn't mean it's representative of the total picture of abortion in the US. I'm willing to accept the idea that the vast majority of pregnant women do not and will not seek abortion of a healthy pregnancy.
Oh me neither. That was kind of my point. I’m not wild about those abortions but they’re a bunch more women who need abortions because of health of the mother and the child. It’s a trade off I’m willing to make.
The problem with anti abortion movement that they have never needed anything other than a catch slogan. Now they have to deal with the impact of their policies and they don’t know what to do. My bet is they just lie
I beg to differ with Mona’s take that “what if the democrats go too far on abortion.”
Pro-choice people know these types of abortions happen. They wish they didn’t but they know they happen. I know this is hard for republicans to understand but making laws require tradeoffs. Let’s say there are 500k abortions that happen a year. Let’s say 90% of them happen before viability. That means there are 50k women in the country who are looking to get an abortion after viability. 99% are for the life of the mother or fetal viability, or disease or whatever. That leaves about 500 women who are doing what you and I would describe as not ideal. I am willing to trade making the life of those 50k women easier then try and prevent (and let’s be serious if you want to get an abortion you are going to get an abortion regardless if it’s legal or illegal) those 500 women from having a baby they don’t want. It sucks but in my opinion that is a worthwhile trade off.
The anti-abortion people are now dealing with reality. For 50 years they never had to worry about the nuances of their position just “I’m for life. No babies should die.” Now we get to see what the anti abortion movement really means and I hate to say it, the pro choice view of the movement was spot on. It’s about the control. It has never been about life otherwise they would t be letting pregnant women bleed out in emergency rooms instead of saving the mother.
Under Roe, in every state but one or two, post-viability abortions (other than for life or health) were illegal. And there are only anecdotal claims that they happened at all in that small handful of states. Can you provide more information behind your statement that pro-choice folks “know these abortions happen”? (Genuinely, I’d like to know if I’m mistaken).
They happen. There is a doctor in Colorado who is the best in the country at doing them. 2/3rds of his cases are not for life of the mother or fetus viability. To be fair he is like the only doctor in the country that does it. Sarah, Tim and jvl talked about this before as well.
But let’s be real I’m just giving round numbers to make the math easier (None of the numbers I gave you are factual). It could 5 or 50 or 500 but they do happen.
This is the problem with republicans though. They have and still argue that we can’t rely on a doctor to say for the life of the mother because what if it’s 1% or 10% or 50%. That’s why I’m glad they have to own this issue now. Let them explain why they will allow a mother to die because they didn’t trust the doctor.
These issues are hard and there are edge cases in every scenario. They haven’t governed in so long and now they have to own their edge cases.
Yeah not that late. I think that late something had to “seriously” go wrong. I also think they need more doctors available because it becomes a full blown surgery to save the baby or save the women.
What a great comparison between the Hunter Biden Laptop "cover up" versus the AMI catch and kill scheme. That's really an excellent point right at the top of the podcast.
If Trump were barred from the courtroom, would he still have to be present in the court house and therefore not free to "campaign elsewhere?
Thanks to Linda for digging up this information about the Howell Code. It would be great if it could be expanded into a full article in the Bulwark so that its many horrors could be more widely exposed.
For probably the only time in my life I can provide some insight to the great Bill Galston.
In this universe there were no circumstances in which the Republican Party would have moved on from Donald Trump. The first impeachment was irrelevant. They watched their capitol building get ransacked and did not care. The only way those Republicans would've voted to impeach Donald Trump was if the punishment was to restore him to his rightful place as President for Life.
Now in an alternate universe quantum mechanically speaking, you would need some sort of Star Trek space rupture or Stargate quantum mirror to check out those universes. But in this universe there is nothing Donald Trump can do that would cause these Republicans to do anything meaningful about it.
I agree with everything you wrote.
I disagree so much with bill. Not his politics. I bet we are pretty close there but his analysis. He treats politics today likes it’s 1995 where the media isn’t heavily siloed and the voters haven’t been brainwashed consistently for 30 years.
We are in a completely different universe where some impeachment didn’t happen or Biden didn’t try to do x or y or z. The Republican Party has been moving in a straight line the last 15 years…and it is accelerating.
Let me give you the craziest counterfactual (I’m not sure this would be true but I have been batting it around): what if Hillary won. Now some would say “god we would have avoided all of this. Republicans would have snapped back to normal. Blah blah blah.” I disagree. I think the Republican Party might be WORSE. 8 years of a black president followed by 4 or 8 years of a woman? My god the backlash in red states would be CRAZY. mtg might look normal ;-)
It's difficult to understand why the panelist would think that the first impeachment of the former president was somehow a bad idea that might have led to the impeachment of President Biden. It all stems from the same motivations...find some dirt on Joe Biden. At least the actions complained about in the first impeachment were done while the former president was in office.
Do doctors "automatically" prescribe puberty blockers for dysphoria? I'd have to see studies on that before I'd accept the idea that these things are passed out so readily.
I cannot say this enough, Roe did not allow abortions up to and through month nine it was fetal viability which was somewhere between 22-24 weeks. Only 6-7 states pre Dobbs even allowed abortion beyond week 24. Those abortions were not done in a clinic but in hospitals because of the risks involved. I am so tired of people walking around talking about these months 9 abortions that never happened. Ask OB's - politicians who talk this way are FUCKING STUPID.
It’s very frustrating. Those are wanted pregnancies that are ending due to something terminal. They must be awful to experience but are medically necessary and shame on everyone who implies they are anything but.
Exactly
Dear Mona Charen -
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! for making the Cass Report your "highlight of the week". Sadly, I have to say, be prepared for a deluge of hate mail, perhaps even death threats. Already this morning, there was a comment on the pod's page in the Substack from a subscriber who thinks some people might not feel "safe" because of people who don't agree to participate in his (her? their? xer's? its?) delusions.
In case you hadn't already seen it, here's a link for a recent article in The Spectator with a brief but accurate summary of the issues raised by the report: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-cass-report-should-end-the-puberty-blockers-scandal-for-good/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BOCH%20%2020240412%20%20House%20Ads%20%20AC+CID_5f830440efa29b7b71098b56cb69b0f7
I won't take your time cataloging what I see as the most dangerous lies of a preposterous ideology whose lobbying has been well funded by a couple of billionaire fetishists. My own interest in the controversies is as an 80 year old gay man who sees the hard-won advances of the last four decades toward gay equality in peril of going down the drain because of the 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 backlash against the outlandish demands of the radical trans ideologues. I spent too much time attending the rallies, too much effort marching in the parades, and most of all, invested too much of my emotional resources speaking to not entirely friendly audiences to see the accomplishments of so many people like me being lost, all because of the nonsense a bunch of postmodernist academics in the Grievance Studies and English Literature departments of elite universities are demanding with the support of a couple of very rich men
NOTE: tried sending as private message through Substack but wouldn't transmit
Being gay was once considered a delusional ideology
I'm of the ALWAY'S PREFERRED/ FAVORED since 1776. Class. Aka white STR8 reasonably attractive ( if ya don't think THIS matters, you probably aren't IT & never had a friend who had IT) and reasonably intelligent.
I say all that because would ANYONE on the podcast, in the comment thread here, feel welcomed & safe if you were TRANS? SAFE & WELCOME LIKE I FEEL SAFE AND Welcome? You know, as an American... in AMERICA! ESPECIALLY IN RED STATES? Honestly, would you? At a minimum I'm not sure I'd feel welcome in MOST STATES... AS A AMERICAN IN AMERICA! MAYBE REPUBLICANS and their BIGOTED ILK OF GRIEVANCE OR DIFFERENT = BAD or just plain piece of 💩 ppl should think about this. If I were TRANS would I feel as safe in TEXAS, MISSOURI, SOUTH CAROLINA, FLORIDA, ARKANSAS, OKLAHOMA, KENTUCKY, MISSISSIPPI, LOUISIANA,? The REAL QUESTION IS..... WHY WOULD I FEEL SAFE THERE? SEEMS OUTSIDE certain parts of CA, NY, WHY USING LOGIC, USING WHAT TRANS PEOPLE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, HOW AS A LOGICAL, REASONABLE PERSON WOULD THEY FEEL WELCOMED AND /OR SAFE.... IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY? WE ALL OUTTA THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN THINKING OF THE TYPES OF PPL WHO MAKE TRANS PPL AND THE MINISCULE, MICROSCOPIC ISSUES THAT ARISE INTO THE DEVIL IN ABOUT HALF THE COUNTRY AND AN ANNOYANCE IN THE Other HALF. SEEMS LIKE THE REAL HUGE PROBLEMS, THE ACTUAL DEVIL'S ARE THE ANTI TRANS OR DEHUMANIZING TRANS PEOPLe.
IMAGINE ..YOU are TRANS.. HEY I FEEL SAFE GOING TO A STATE WHERE THE HEAD OF THAT STATES GOVT, POLICE, NATL GUARD IS HOSTILE TOWARDS TRANS.. .. YAY U FEEL SAFE AND WELCOME THERE! RIGHT? YA SHOULDN'T IF YOUR A NORMAL FEELING PERSON. THIS IS THE UNITED STATES AND WE'VE ALLOWED, HELL VOLUNTARILY VOTED IN LEADERS WHO CONSTANTLY MAKE A WHOLE GROUP OF PPL ( EXCEPT ME.. THE WHITE STR8 MALE) UNWELCOME OR UNSAFE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY. ITS PATHETIC.
Way to donate eclipse glasses:
https://astronomerswithoutborders.org/programs/solar-glasses-distribution
Thanks. I can’t imagine he does them “up to the moment of birth” as was claimed in the podcast, correct?
Oh no. Not the late. But m trying to remember where I heard him talk about it (the surgeon). There is a point where he can’t go beyond but I don’t remember what it was. Trust me I was as surprised as you are. I thought it was be like 9 out of 10 for women who were going to die or baby issues. It was closer to 4 out 10.
He was saying the 2 biggest reasons were (1) something happened to the man during the pregnancy and (2) financial issues.
That guy is one of the rare people that does those procedures. Of course he is going to see some extreme behavior. That doesn't mean it's representative of the total picture of abortion in the US. I'm willing to accept the idea that the vast majority of pregnant women do not and will not seek abortion of a healthy pregnancy.
Oh me neither. That was kind of my point. I’m not wild about those abortions but they’re a bunch more women who need abortions because of health of the mother and the child. It’s a trade off I’m willing to make.
The problem with anti abortion movement that they have never needed anything other than a catch slogan. Now they have to deal with the impact of their policies and they don’t know what to do. My bet is they just lie
I beg to differ with Mona’s take that “what if the democrats go too far on abortion.”
Pro-choice people know these types of abortions happen. They wish they didn’t but they know they happen. I know this is hard for republicans to understand but making laws require tradeoffs. Let’s say there are 500k abortions that happen a year. Let’s say 90% of them happen before viability. That means there are 50k women in the country who are looking to get an abortion after viability. 99% are for the life of the mother or fetal viability, or disease or whatever. That leaves about 500 women who are doing what you and I would describe as not ideal. I am willing to trade making the life of those 50k women easier then try and prevent (and let’s be serious if you want to get an abortion you are going to get an abortion regardless if it’s legal or illegal) those 500 women from having a baby they don’t want. It sucks but in my opinion that is a worthwhile trade off.
The anti-abortion people are now dealing with reality. For 50 years they never had to worry about the nuances of their position just “I’m for life. No babies should die.” Now we get to see what the anti abortion movement really means and I hate to say it, the pro choice view of the movement was spot on. It’s about the control. It has never been about life otherwise they would t be letting pregnant women bleed out in emergency rooms instead of saving the mother.
Under Roe, in every state but one or two, post-viability abortions (other than for life or health) were illegal. And there are only anecdotal claims that they happened at all in that small handful of states. Can you provide more information behind your statement that pro-choice folks “know these abortions happen”? (Genuinely, I’d like to know if I’m mistaken).
They happen. There is a doctor in Colorado who is the best in the country at doing them. 2/3rds of his cases are not for life of the mother or fetus viability. To be fair he is like the only doctor in the country that does it. Sarah, Tim and jvl talked about this before as well.
But let’s be real I’m just giving round numbers to make the math easier (None of the numbers I gave you are factual). It could 5 or 50 or 500 but they do happen.
This is the problem with republicans though. They have and still argue that we can’t rely on a doctor to say for the life of the mother because what if it’s 1% or 10% or 50%. That’s why I’m glad they have to own this issue now. Let them explain why they will allow a mother to die because they didn’t trust the doctor.
These issues are hard and there are edge cases in every scenario. They haven’t governed in so long and now they have to own their edge cases.
From the Atlantic article about him:
“This means that Hern ends the pregnancies of women who are 22, 25, even 30 weeks along.”
So even with him, it is nothing like “up until the moment of birth” as was claimed in the podcast.
Yeah not that late. I think that late something had to “seriously” go wrong. I also think they need more doctors available because it becomes a full blown surgery to save the baby or save the women.
What a great comparison between the Hunter Biden Laptop "cover up" versus the AMI catch and kill scheme. That's really an excellent point right at the top of the podcast.
Yes! A lot of people are talking about this case now, but this podcast episode had the best conversation about it that have heard so far.