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Hey guys, it's Tim Miller from The Bulwark. I'm here with Noah Lenard and Isabella Diaz of Mother Jones. They wrote this great piece I've been referencing last week about the Venezuelans that we have sent to the El Salvador hellhole. It was called You're Here Because of Your Tattoos.
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And I wanted to talk to you guys about the story. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, thanks for having us on. Yeah, thank you. So you guys have talked, you said in the article, to family members of 10 of the Venezuelans that we've sent to El Salvador.
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I guess we think there's somewhere between 238, maybe more total that have been sent. I want to go through a couple of the specific people that you talked about, but just broadly, kind of what are you hearing? What are you learning from those conversations with these family members? Yeah.

Tim Miller is joined by Noah Lanard and Isabela Dias to discuss their article in Mother Jones “You’re Here Because of Your Tattoos." They discuss many of the detained men in El Salvador wrongly accused of being gang members because of having tattoos, including tattoos of an autism awareness ribbon, hummingbirds, and flowers.

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It's all about the circus. Feed the base red meat. They did not have as many gang members to detain. Grab anyone to make the numbers. Evil gits

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This issue has been haunting me for weeks. Thank you so much for keeping it in focus.

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I hope this goes out on YouTube to a wider audience. (I can;t tell if it's restricted atm). It's such an important issue and the wider public discussion of it the better.

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Thanks for expanding this story. It would seem that we do have jurisdiction here, because a deal was made between DHS and El Salvador. An outside shot would be for the Venuzualan government to do something. Can we "buy" these people out of prison? Come on Elon, step up.

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THANK YOU for relentlessly following these stories. No words for how unreal all this seems...not surprising, but just horrifying in its scope and unchallenged reality. I'm sending money to the ACLU and NIJC and using the 5Calls app daily to be in touch with elected officials. Is there anything else we can do now? Other organizations and actions to be taken?

And Tim, I'm sure I join the long list of adopted mother wannabes who offer concern and hope you are taking care of yourself! You are EVERYWHERE and doing EVERYTHING...and while much appreciated, we need you for the marathon this will be! THANKS for all you do, but please take good care!!

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This is atrocious. Thank you for continuing to shine a light on this Tim. Although a different situation, I found this account by Jasmine Mooney, a Canadian recently detained by ICE, spelled out how clearly how awful even just detentions by ICE are. The El Salvador prison I am sure is even worse. Below is a quote from Jasmine’s article. It is so awful that all of this is happening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

“Thirty of us shared one room. We were given one Styrofoam cup for water and one plastic spoon that we had to reuse for every meal. I eventually had to start trying to eat and, sure enough, I got sick. None of the uniforms fit, and everyone had men’s shoes on. The towels they gave us to shower were hand towels. They wouldn’t give us more blankets. The fluorescent lights shined on us 24/7.

Everything felt like it was meant to break you. Nothing was explained to us. I wasn’t given a phone call. We were locked in a room, no daylight, with no idea when we would get out.”

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God bless these people for covering this story and for you Tim continuing to ring this bell. It’s so cruel and I guess, that is their point.

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Horrific. And no release date. Although it would be in the gaol's interest to have them there for as short a time as possible. Will they be released to fend for themselves or returned to Venezuela or disappeared permanently? This is heart-breaking.

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I think these people were targeted using less than sufficient evidence and were sent to El Salvador without due process because the Trump Regime wanted to look like they were getting things done. This is anything but a win. It's horrible.

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BTW, please keep the light on this, Tim. I'm so grateful for the heart and anger you've expressed about this and the other abductions.

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Thank you three tremendously for this really important interview.

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How can we get them back?? Is it possible

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It was important to hear from these reporters. I hope they keep up their work. Now I'm going to go weep for these men. My heart is so sore with what is being done in our names.

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My usual first reaction these days is rage, and I certainly feel that about this. But more than that I just feel like bursting into tears for the horror our gov't. has become, and the suffering and terror these innocent people are surely experiencing. This is one of those situations that makes me feel like my heart is being ripped in two.

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Is there any possibility of ransoming some or all of them? I am assuming that the El Salvador government can be paid enough to release them.

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Privately maybe, makes my gears turn a bit.

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THANK YOU x 10000000000 to all who are humanizing these people ! This is our most powerful way to fight back now for these men. You are patriots 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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Thanks for keeping up with these horrors

Either these men have been convicted of committing crimes and we are paying a foreign country to house them in a prison or they are just undocumented & if not claiming asylum can be deported.

But these men weren’t deported, they were rendered, to a prison in a country not their own.

There are reports that 7 women were on one of the planes and El Salvador refused to accept them because that wasn’t in the agreement. Do we know what IS in this agreement?

This situation should terrify even those who care nothing about undocumented people.

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Oh, they’re cruel and heartless bastards alright, but not JUST for this. Cruelty is a major element of the trump brand.

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And yet so many of them consider themselves followers of Christ. They’d do well to reread Matthew 25:31 - 46.

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MAGA = Evil Death Cult

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Pretty much exactly that.

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And a cult member doesn’t hate anyone as much as the people who didn’t fall for the cult/con.

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Thanks for keeping this as a focus point. We can’t let it get lost in the news cycle maelstrom!

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I was thinking the same thing. There is so much going on and I appreciate Tim staying focused on this. I was listening to Tim and Bill on the daily podcast and even Joe Rogan is talking about this. I can’t help but wonder if Joe listens to Tim too. I’m going to write my Republican Senators in Ohio.

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What these folks are "guilty" of is being available for arrest. The bloodthirsty MAGA horde wants to see immigrants humiliated, punished, and removed. That process was not going quickly enough to satisfy their indecent souls so Trump, Homan, and Miller went to plan b.

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Tom Holman along with Donald Trump are heinous monsters for doing this without vetting! It is unAmerican.

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Tim, I think you need to have on Samuel Bray. He is a law professor at Notre Dame Law School and is an expert in legal remedies. He can speak to a federal court’s equitable jurisdiction over extraterritorial matters like getting these Venezuelans back from El Salvador.

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Seems to me that our government has zero right to engage in a Contract with a foreign government to incarcerate with inhumane conditions anyone in the US, citizens, visitors, or even those not legally in the Country.

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Frightening as hell! Thank you for this video, Tim.

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We also need to talk about the paramilitary organization that gets away with habeas corpus "exemptions" because of borders or something. Also, said organization came to be under Bush JR, and many people here at the Bulwark were quite on board with the "roughing up" of those pesky brown people. Oops.

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Is ICE using Court Hearing Calendars to get names and then abduct those on the Calendar? This should enrage the Courts!

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Kegbreath has lots of tattoos and they would be exactly what the Nazi bros are looking for thus dear friends arrest and lease please send him to any prison, how abut in Siberia?

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Trump is malicious and barbaric

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As are those who are going along with his “orders”. I will never understand how the orange anus has even one follower.

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YES!! I love Mother Jones....nice to see this.

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