I know this is the best choice, and it is the one I am pre-committing to (I have my immigration lawyer's number ready to go). The fucked up part for me is that I'm a combat veteran with C-PTSD and every ounce of my prefrontal cortex and right amygdala are going to be pushing me into "protect mode" if something like this were ever to occu…
I know this is the best choice, and it is the one I am pre-committing to (I have my immigration lawyer's number ready to go). The fucked up part for me is that I'm a combat veteran with C-PTSD and every ounce of my prefrontal cortex and right amygdala are going to be pushing me into "protect mode" if something like this were ever to occur. We all know what we'd like to do in theory when we're not in the heat of a moment with milliseconds to make a decision, but we don't ever know how we're actually going to react until we're in the moment itself. That's the kind of shit I worry about in my personal case.
I wonder about this from the perspective of the woman being kidnapped. Even the first person approaching me like that would put me on full alert. Then the second and third person surrounding me, wearing masks, I would be freaking the fuck out. I couldn’t stop myself from physically fighting (C-PTSD here as well). It would be an instant reaction. And screaming.
I am surprised by the calmness of the two detainees we’ve seen being arrested like this. These guys could’ve bought those badges on Amazon.
What do people think about fighting on purpose, if you’re the one being arrested when you’re alone?
Some time ago I read about a someone conducting a group discussion on personal safety where the participants were asked what they did routinely to protect themselves whenever they went out. The men all looked baffled and every woman there had at least two precautions.
I can't imagine how any woman being grabbed on the street by a strange man, let alone several strange men, wouldn't think she was at risk of being raped, but the shock of what is happening can have different effects. Some will probably freeze, especially now when it's early days yet and people think they still have legal recourse. Speaking as a rape victim (it was many years ago) I made a conscious decision at the time not to fight because I thought he would kill me if I resisted, but figured (correctly, as it turns out) that I could get away once it was over if I moved fast enough. I believe many more women than we like to imagine make such calculations but as a culture we prefer dead rape victms to live ones who are somehow complicit in the assaults if they don't end up on an autopsy table
All of which is to say that fighting for your life may well get you shot by one of these knuckleheads - I'm assuming they're armed - but on the other hand who knows where they're taking you? In any event it's something to think about ahead of time and mentally prepare for.
It's illegal to impersonate law enforcement/government officials/ICE agents/etc., yet men* get ahold of a janky badge, uniform, lights and pull women over all the time. I'll let y'all fill in the rest. I routinely drive 150 miles+ for a doc appointment or for work and this is why I conceal carry.
Travis, I'd do the following in this order: call the police, then my lawyer (or have lawyer call 911), set my phone to record,,demand identification (ask your lawyer for the legal cite re: LEO/ICE duty to ID), and depending on what they say, let them know you're armed (in TX we have to disclose that immediately). Now here's the really hard part, speak in a calm, non-threatening manner.
I have C-PTSD, too, for different reasons so I get how your brain is in go mode. All I can say is that it would be *really* hard for me not to use the Remington .22 that's on my person whenever I leave my house. **OTOH, I'm also a lawyer so I know that pulling a gun on ICE agents is asking to be violently arrested, at a minimum, up to a shootout.**
JVL, would y'all still have my back if I were arrested under these circumstances?
*I've *never* heard of a woman pulling this stunt in my 15 years of criminal defense practice.
The unfortunate reality is that you would likely be shot and probably killed in a fullisade of gunfire (multiple rounds from the agents present, plus the misses that are going off to who knows where), because (from what I have seen) LEO fire discipline sucks.
One of the reasons that I do not carry a gun is because of this. I do not live in a high threat area, so I am not really concerned with personal defense. I AM concerned about using a weapon and having to deal with the consequences, because I AM the type of person that if I have the weapon, its coming out in a case like this.
And I am a REALLY good shot, I practice. Probably more than most LEOs do.
I know this is the best choice, and it is the one I am pre-committing to (I have my immigration lawyer's number ready to go). The fucked up part for me is that I'm a combat veteran with C-PTSD and every ounce of my prefrontal cortex and right amygdala are going to be pushing me into "protect mode" if something like this were ever to occur. We all know what we'd like to do in theory when we're not in the heat of a moment with milliseconds to make a decision, but we don't ever know how we're actually going to react until we're in the moment itself. That's the kind of shit I worry about in my personal case.
I wonder about this from the perspective of the woman being kidnapped. Even the first person approaching me like that would put me on full alert. Then the second and third person surrounding me, wearing masks, I would be freaking the fuck out. I couldn’t stop myself from physically fighting (C-PTSD here as well). It would be an instant reaction. And screaming.
I am surprised by the calmness of the two detainees we’ve seen being arrested like this. These guys could’ve bought those badges on Amazon.
What do people think about fighting on purpose, if you’re the one being arrested when you’re alone?
Some time ago I read about a someone conducting a group discussion on personal safety where the participants were asked what they did routinely to protect themselves whenever they went out. The men all looked baffled and every woman there had at least two precautions.
I can't imagine how any woman being grabbed on the street by a strange man, let alone several strange men, wouldn't think she was at risk of being raped, but the shock of what is happening can have different effects. Some will probably freeze, especially now when it's early days yet and people think they still have legal recourse. Speaking as a rape victim (it was many years ago) I made a conscious decision at the time not to fight because I thought he would kill me if I resisted, but figured (correctly, as it turns out) that I could get away once it was over if I moved fast enough. I believe many more women than we like to imagine make such calculations but as a culture we prefer dead rape victms to live ones who are somehow complicit in the assaults if they don't end up on an autopsy table
All of which is to say that fighting for your life may well get you shot by one of these knuckleheads - I'm assuming they're armed - but on the other hand who knows where they're taking you? In any event it's something to think about ahead of time and mentally prepare for.
Travis I hate that you and your family face this prospect. It’s illegal and unconstitutional.
It's illegal to impersonate law enforcement/government officials/ICE agents/etc., yet men* get ahold of a janky badge, uniform, lights and pull women over all the time. I'll let y'all fill in the rest. I routinely drive 150 miles+ for a doc appointment or for work and this is why I conceal carry.
Travis, I'd do the following in this order: call the police, then my lawyer (or have lawyer call 911), set my phone to record,,demand identification (ask your lawyer for the legal cite re: LEO/ICE duty to ID), and depending on what they say, let them know you're armed (in TX we have to disclose that immediately). Now here's the really hard part, speak in a calm, non-threatening manner.
I have C-PTSD, too, for different reasons so I get how your brain is in go mode. All I can say is that it would be *really* hard for me not to use the Remington .22 that's on my person whenever I leave my house. **OTOH, I'm also a lawyer so I know that pulling a gun on ICE agents is asking to be violently arrested, at a minimum, up to a shootout.**
JVL, would y'all still have my back if I were arrested under these circumstances?
*I've *never* heard of a woman pulling this stunt in my 15 years of criminal defense practice.
The unfortunate reality is that you would likely be shot and probably killed in a fullisade of gunfire (multiple rounds from the agents present, plus the misses that are going off to who knows where), because (from what I have seen) LEO fire discipline sucks.
One of the reasons that I do not carry a gun is because of this. I do not live in a high threat area, so I am not really concerned with personal defense. I AM concerned about using a weapon and having to deal with the consequences, because I AM the type of person that if I have the weapon, its coming out in a case like this.
And I am a REALLY good shot, I practice. Probably more than most LEOs do.
We are going to see some version of that story in this administration. I pray it is not yours. 🙏 (sincere emoji)
Can't say "LIKE", only "understood."