I had to laugh just now upon hearing the word "transitioned" in your conversation. You may be found out and have your podcasts shut down. Been good to know ya.
Was learning a LOT with this conversation and then got to the statement by Eliot Cohen, "at least he's recognizing the magnitude of the problem that you have in Gaza." I don't know what to say.
Extraordinarily naive. Trump has no foreign policy. He’s merely criming. How do you not see that? He embraces autocrats not out of ideological similarities but rather as partners in crime. You can’t do crime with the French government. He’s appointing unqualified people because they don’t represent a danger to him. You lament that the democrats will toss this corrupt Trump people out? Seriously? Trump may benefit from input from the Biden diplomats? Seriously? You think Trump cares about the world beyond his own enrichment?
There are a group of Republicans that actually believe the gaslighting nonsense of small government, boot straps, school choice etc. They are naive. It was ALWAYS about not giving handouts to minorities. This is who the GOP has always been, Trump just came out and said “the quiet part…..”. You can’t be for small government and be for school prayer, a massive military, and federal bailouts.
Eliot Cohen’s analysis is missing a very big part of the puzzle in understanding what they are doing here. Their stated goal, Musk, Thiel, Vance and the rest is to tear down government, but they do not have Libertarian aims of smaller, limited government. As they say openly, they need to tear it down to build and control the state power as they see fit. Focusing only on what you can see now ignores their larger vision for government and America’s role in the world.
Not just Jackson and Coughlan and McCarthy. This goes back to John C. Calhoun, and John Taylor of Caroline-- the so-called “anti-Federalists” who were simultaneously opposed to centralized government and yet wanted to allow decentralized political entities to take whatever they could from whomever was weaker-- enslaving Africans, decimatig Native Americans. In other words, men who wanted to unleash human greed and cruelty and passion without the pesky obstacle of laws prtecting the innocent and vulnerable.
Thank-you for another great show. I look forward to it each weekend. I am a life long Democrat and differing views on some(not many) things, but I enjoy and respect your opinions on International and security issues. I frequently am able to see issues from another side. I am very concerned about our National Security withe errossion of talent from FBI, and intelligence agencies. Trump's view seems to be he doesn't need their intelligence, and information. (yikes) I would love to hear more about what you know with regards to our level of National Security.
I enjoy the discussion, but at times there is a thumping noise in the background that is very distracting. Someone is pounding on a table I think. Can someone please ask them to stop there something? Thank you. 😃
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought this podcast was a little bit out of touch. Also as a young Democrat who was not thinking very deeply at the time and also thought Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged was great, I quickly learned that Reagan wasn't the great president that he was made out to be. Many of our presidents are flawed and like Trump. He was a performer and I think that I have been doubtful of so-called trickle-down economics since then.
What I do appreciate is that here? We can have a civil discourse 99% of the time and we can listen to different voices and there appears to be some common sense which is severely lacking in our government.
Hi. As someone new to your site, it would be helpful if you identified who the hosts of podcasts are by their full names instead of just “Eric and Eliot”. Thanks
"They've poisoned the water?" Project 2025, the product of a FARA organization, Heritage Foundation, to which MAGA strictly subscribes.
All talk of defending federal agencies by Democrats or others is moot; the issue is wrapped around unelected individuals sponsored by The Oath-Breaking SoB who are ignoring our Constitution and the constitutional processes that created the federal agencies. Defeat that and then hold Congressional hearings to legally reform those agencies.
I was granted TS/SCI access for 21 years as a U.S. Navy cryptologist. My skin crawls as I learn of unauthorized, unelected, and uncleared individuals gaining access to classified data and both PII and PIFI data.
My cousin is retired Navy. He thinks everything is just fine, and is glad that Pete Hegseth defeated “those scumbag Democrats” that tried to give him a hard time in his hearing. I couldn’t believe my ears. My cousin claimed that a lot of his CO’s were “douchebags”, so it doesn’t matter if Hegseth is a douchebag. I will add that said cousin loved the Navy but was an “up or out”, forced to retire after a certain number of failed promotions (my mother said it was because he couldn’t keep his big mouth shut and always thought he knew better than the CO). Do you think it’s a delayed bitterness reaction? In 2016 the guy couldn’t believe Trump won the nomination. Now he loves Trump. It blows my mind.
Ann, Back in my day - and that's, I suspect, contiguous with that of your cousin's service - the quite unofficial description of sailors by sailors was: "A bitching sailor is a happy sailor!"
I was known, amongst my comrades, as an Ecstatic Sailor. There was no radio frequency, officer, enlisted sailor, political party, politician, ship, department, division, military service (especially the Air Farce), mission, sea state, weather state, region, month, day, or time of day that escaped my often biting sarcasm and bad jokes. Those with whom I served on cryptologic support elements - and especially the Division Officers, Leading Chiefs, Leading Petty Officers - must have accepted that I was just "blowing off steam". (There is a God and He has a really good sense of humor.)
How do I know that? I received very good personal evaluations and promotions over the years, including to Chief Petty Officer, Submarine dolphins, and enough awards to fill out 3 levels of ribbons.
If your cousin believes that Hegseth is a douchebag, I concur. Unlike your cousin, I have NEVER supported or "liked" the scumbag Oath-Breaking SoB who was returned by 49% of our voters.
I suspect your cousin was a commissioned officer or Chief Warrant Officer. Not that it makes a difference. Please congratulate him for me for his service - I am happy to meet any veteran, no matter the person's politics or party.
(No, I'm not trying to clean the rust off of my halo...)
Check out the books "Generations" and "The Fourth Turning is Here" by Neil Howe. You'll be convinced on the author's model explaining current circumstances. And yes, the world order is changing. The new dawn will emerge around 2030-2035.
Excellent conversation. This podcast is much more enjoyable than the other Bulwark pods, which seem to have gotten kind of “jokey” and not serious in an intelligent way. I can’t quite put my finger on what the problem is with the others, but I find myself listening/watching them less and less. One person is so depressing I have to avoid them at all costs. But with these two, I finish not wanting to jump off the roof or run into oncoming traffic.
Time to go watch Episode 5 of Severance. It would be nice if such a procedure actually existed right now, except that forcing my innie to experience Trump 24/7 would be cruel and unusual punishment.
I'm going to assume that this was recorded before Hegseth shivved Ukraine, because the assessment of Trump being likely to muscle the Russians is something else
Again, I have to revisit this after that abominable showing from Trump and Vance in the Oval Office. There is a lot of soul searching that needs to be done if you truly thought Trump was more likely to strongarm Putin than Zelensky.
I enjoyed this episode very much. Herewith a personal anecdote that you both may take or leave. My wife Liz and I have a son living in New Zealand, with his wife and our two grandsons. We visit annually. Liz has made good friends with a number of Kiwis who are of a certain age and who are, I should think, pretty conservative. In a recent trip, one of her new friends asked her, "What has possessed the United States to give up its position of world leadership?" She said she couldn't answer in a way that made sense to her. As she and I see the US withdrawing, we are worried, as parents and grandparents. about what will happen when and if China takes Taiwan. New Zealand is a small country in a vast ocean without the means to defend itself alone. The US rejection of leadership is worrying to us on a personal level. Thank you for all you do to keep hope alive that this unhappy situation will end.
I had to laugh just now upon hearing the word "transitioned" in your conversation. You may be found out and have your podcasts shut down. Been good to know ya.
Whining City on a hill
Was learning a LOT with this conversation and then got to the statement by Eliot Cohen, "at least he's recognizing the magnitude of the problem that you have in Gaza." I don't know what to say.
Edelman says the solution is to
REIGN IN EXECUTIVE POWER
SUPREME COURT-this is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY!
Extraordinarily naive. Trump has no foreign policy. He’s merely criming. How do you not see that? He embraces autocrats not out of ideological similarities but rather as partners in crime. You can’t do crime with the French government. He’s appointing unqualified people because they don’t represent a danger to him. You lament that the democrats will toss this corrupt Trump people out? Seriously? Trump may benefit from input from the Biden diplomats? Seriously? You think Trump cares about the world beyond his own enrichment?
There are a group of Republicans that actually believe the gaslighting nonsense of small government, boot straps, school choice etc. They are naive. It was ALWAYS about not giving handouts to minorities. This is who the GOP has always been, Trump just came out and said “the quiet part…..”. You can’t be for small government and be for school prayer, a massive military, and federal bailouts.
Totally agree
But I don’t lament that the democrats will try to toss him. I am a democrat.
Eliot Cohen’s analysis is missing a very big part of the puzzle in understanding what they are doing here. Their stated goal, Musk, Thiel, Vance and the rest is to tear down government, but they do not have Libertarian aims of smaller, limited government. As they say openly, they need to tear it down to build and control the state power as they see fit. Focusing only on what you can see now ignores their larger vision for government and America’s role in the world.
Not just Jackson and Coughlan and McCarthy. This goes back to John C. Calhoun, and John Taylor of Caroline-- the so-called “anti-Federalists” who were simultaneously opposed to centralized government and yet wanted to allow decentralized political entities to take whatever they could from whomever was weaker-- enslaving Africans, decimatig Native Americans. In other words, men who wanted to unleash human greed and cruelty and passion without the pesky obstacle of laws prtecting the innocent and vulnerable.
Thank-you for another great show. I look forward to it each weekend. I am a life long Democrat and differing views on some(not many) things, but I enjoy and respect your opinions on International and security issues. I frequently am able to see issues from another side. I am very concerned about our National Security withe errossion of talent from FBI, and intelligence agencies. Trump's view seems to be he doesn't need their intelligence, and information. (yikes) I would love to hear more about what you know with regards to our level of National Security.
I enjoy the discussion, but at times there is a thumping noise in the background that is very distracting. Someone is pounding on a table I think. Can someone please ask them to stop there something? Thank you. 😃
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought this podcast was a little bit out of touch. Also as a young Democrat who was not thinking very deeply at the time and also thought Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged was great, I quickly learned that Reagan wasn't the great president that he was made out to be. Many of our presidents are flawed and like Trump. He was a performer and I think that I have been doubtful of so-called trickle-down economics since then.
What I do appreciate is that here? We can have a civil discourse 99% of the time and we can listen to different voices and there appears to be some common sense which is severely lacking in our government.
Hi. As someone new to your site, it would be helpful if you identified who the hosts of podcasts are by their full names instead of just “Eric and Eliot”. Thanks
Right at the beginning of the podcast they always make a full introduction. Check the transcript at 21s.
"They've poisoned the water?" Project 2025, the product of a FARA organization, Heritage Foundation, to which MAGA strictly subscribes.
All talk of defending federal agencies by Democrats or others is moot; the issue is wrapped around unelected individuals sponsored by The Oath-Breaking SoB who are ignoring our Constitution and the constitutional processes that created the federal agencies. Defeat that and then hold Congressional hearings to legally reform those agencies.
I was granted TS/SCI access for 21 years as a U.S. Navy cryptologist. My skin crawls as I learn of unauthorized, unelected, and uncleared individuals gaining access to classified data and both PII and PIFI data.
My cousin is retired Navy. He thinks everything is just fine, and is glad that Pete Hegseth defeated “those scumbag Democrats” that tried to give him a hard time in his hearing. I couldn’t believe my ears. My cousin claimed that a lot of his CO’s were “douchebags”, so it doesn’t matter if Hegseth is a douchebag. I will add that said cousin loved the Navy but was an “up or out”, forced to retire after a certain number of failed promotions (my mother said it was because he couldn’t keep his big mouth shut and always thought he knew better than the CO). Do you think it’s a delayed bitterness reaction? In 2016 the guy couldn’t believe Trump won the nomination. Now he loves Trump. It blows my mind.
Ann, Back in my day - and that's, I suspect, contiguous with that of your cousin's service - the quite unofficial description of sailors by sailors was: "A bitching sailor is a happy sailor!"
I was known, amongst my comrades, as an Ecstatic Sailor. There was no radio frequency, officer, enlisted sailor, political party, politician, ship, department, division, military service (especially the Air Farce), mission, sea state, weather state, region, month, day, or time of day that escaped my often biting sarcasm and bad jokes. Those with whom I served on cryptologic support elements - and especially the Division Officers, Leading Chiefs, Leading Petty Officers - must have accepted that I was just "blowing off steam". (There is a God and He has a really good sense of humor.)
How do I know that? I received very good personal evaluations and promotions over the years, including to Chief Petty Officer, Submarine dolphins, and enough awards to fill out 3 levels of ribbons.
If your cousin believes that Hegseth is a douchebag, I concur. Unlike your cousin, I have NEVER supported or "liked" the scumbag Oath-Breaking SoB who was returned by 49% of our voters.
I suspect your cousin was a commissioned officer or Chief Warrant Officer. Not that it makes a difference. Please congratulate him for me for his service - I am happy to meet any veteran, no matter the person's politics or party.
(No, I'm not trying to clean the rust off of my halo...)
Check out the books "Generations" and "The Fourth Turning is Here" by Neil Howe. You'll be convinced on the author's model explaining current circumstances. And yes, the world order is changing. The new dawn will emerge around 2030-2035.
“The new dawn will emerge around 2030-2035.”
100 years after the dawn of the Nazi regime that plunged the world into an unfathomable nightmare. Thanks for that.
I don't want this of course.
Excellent conversation. This podcast is much more enjoyable than the other Bulwark pods, which seem to have gotten kind of “jokey” and not serious in an intelligent way. I can’t quite put my finger on what the problem is with the others, but I find myself listening/watching them less and less. One person is so depressing I have to avoid them at all costs. But with these two, I finish not wanting to jump off the roof or run into oncoming traffic.
Time to go watch Episode 5 of Severance. It would be nice if such a procedure actually existed right now, except that forcing my innie to experience Trump 24/7 would be cruel and unusual punishment.
I'm going to assume that this was recorded before Hegseth shivved Ukraine, because the assessment of Trump being likely to muscle the Russians is something else
Again, I have to revisit this after that abominable showing from Trump and Vance in the Oval Office. There is a lot of soul searching that needs to be done if you truly thought Trump was more likely to strongarm Putin than Zelensky.
I enjoyed this episode very much. Herewith a personal anecdote that you both may take or leave. My wife Liz and I have a son living in New Zealand, with his wife and our two grandsons. We visit annually. Liz has made good friends with a number of Kiwis who are of a certain age and who are, I should think, pretty conservative. In a recent trip, one of her new friends asked her, "What has possessed the United States to give up its position of world leadership?" She said she couldn't answer in a way that made sense to her. As she and I see the US withdrawing, we are worried, as parents and grandparents. about what will happen when and if China takes Taiwan. New Zealand is a small country in a vast ocean without the means to defend itself alone. The US rejection of leadership is worrying to us on a personal level. Thank you for all you do to keep hope alive that this unhappy situation will end.