Every non-MAGA pundit in America had pinned their hopes on Biden having an awesome debate performance and putting the tangerine menace away for all time. They built it up in their heads all week - “oooh! Joe’s at Camp David prepping and Donny’s golfing” etc, etc. And then when Biden did Biden the pundits shit their pants and every one of…
Every non-MAGA pundit in America had pinned their hopes on Biden having an awesome debate performance and putting the tangerine menace away for all time. They built it up in their heads all week - “oooh! Joe’s at Camp David prepping and Donny’s golfing” etc, etc. And then when Biden did Biden the pundits shit their pants and every one of them wrote, tweeted and podcast their way through their disappointment. Meanwhile, back in America, we saw an old man with a stutter get Gish galloped by a narcissist with a penchant for lying with every utterance.
Pundits have got to start understanding that while they - and we - are steeped in Donald’s crazy on a daily basis, most Americans have had little to no exposure to him over the last 4 years. And the 2 men they saw on that stage reminded them that Donald is a fucking lunatic and that Joe’s old. You can compensate for old. You can’t fix crazy.
I don't really like the idea that the problem was Trump's "Gish Gallop." I mean, sure, he's a pathological liar and a nincompoop with a lizard brain, but if fast talking and spouting lies is enough to derail Biden, what world leader isn't going to notice that and use it to their advantage? On the other hand, the "debate" doesn't remotely reflect the way that negotiations at high levels occur, so I'm not sure that it applies to real world situations. I hope the people around Biden are taking the issue very seriously and making the best decision for the country.
It is pointless to refute over and over again the same lies Trump has been spewing for years. He never stops and MAGA loves the lies. THE EFFORT NEEDED TO REFUTE A GISH GALLOP OF LIES IS EXPONENTIALLY GREATER THAN THE EFFORT TO GENERATE AND SPREAD SAID GISH GALLOP. Biden did not play Trump's game. Good for him. Stop letting Trump determine the parameters. The transcript of the debate which eliminates the distraction of his phlegmy cold shows Biden in command of policy of and facts, making Biden the clear winner.
You bet logic is not controlling, not when half of swing voters believe the stock market is down and that we are in a recession. My comment is most certainly not the problem.
lol. That was *on his best behavior* Donald. Normal Donald is waaaaaaaaaaay more nuts. But, man, I would’ve given pretty much anything for some quality Hannibal Lecter shit sprinkled in for funsies!
What meeting with a world leader would one be constrained to 2 minute segments in which to attempt to set out as many talking points as one can before time runs out and your mic is cut off? I will go out on a limb and guess zero. Any leader on a phone call or in a physical meeting with another world leader will have both notes and a support staff to flesh out anything that might arise.
If one actually reads the transcript from the debate and removes Donny’s bombast and babbling lies, it’s actually remarkable how much normal shit Joe said throughout the night. Seth Abramson did just that for his substack yesterday and I was surprised that Joe had actually gotten that much out of his mouth hole on Thursday night. If you’re interested…https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/by-obsessing-over-tv-visuals-rather
I agree with this. It's not just better on reading the transcript. I have heard some of the answers replayed audio only, and the impact is quite different. If it weren't for the absolutely dreadful confusion/misfire where he suddenly leapt from discussing abortion to the murder of a woman by a migrant, I would be far less alarmed. And the terrible performance on the rehearsed 2 minute closer was very discouraging. Nonetheless, I am worried about both the political repercussions and the fact that it's not just about getting to the election; it's his ability to function well for four more years, which is something I am 100 percent confident that Trump can't do.
It’s funny how little we think about those who will surround a POTUS before that person takes office. I have total faith that if Joe wins, the country will be fine, we will move along in relatively the same direction as before and if it gets bad, those around Joe will be able to convince him to retire and Kamala - who, lest we forget, has been by his side for the last 4 years - and the rest of the team they’ve assembled should be able to continue the mission just fine.
Meanwhile, you’ve got Donny who burned through 44 senior staff in his first term and by the end was left with little but xenophobes who were blindly loyal to him, not America or the Constitution. Who do ya think will be staffing the White House if he wins in 2024? Project 2025 is 800 pages long and worth reading every word of because it’s terrifying af and if he’s given an opportunity to implement even a quarter of it, this country will be irreparably changed forever.
That’s the choice in November. There is no one who is going to ride in on a magic carpet, throw some pixie dust around or wave a wand to make any of this change. There’s no mechanism to force Joe out and the only person who can use the $ he’s raised is Kamala. And while I personally think she’s grown and matured in the last 4 years, one would be hard pressed to find many kind words about her outside of Black Twitter.
Gish galloped..the latest lefty talking point that nobody every heard of until six minutes ago. A life preserver as much as a talking point. Oh what are we going to say when the world finally has to admit Joe has dementia? Oh, Gish galloping. The other guy talked all the way through his allotted two minutes and Joe was not sentient enough to rebut.
Nobody except social science and poli sci majors and those of us who have read a book since college and debaters and teachers and English majors and a lot of other people and it’s surprising how many people want to parade their shortcomings in the public square, amirite?
Seriously? You are definitely a magat if you can't see and hear his slurred words, incomplete, trailed off thoughts, the way he stands leaning forward, the way he goes off into bizarre tangents, etc.
I am talking about the fire hose of lies. Yes, we know you love the lies and care nothing about facts. I said nothing about leaning forward. You are so afflicted with TDS you cannot keep track of who you are talking to. But since you brought it up, yes, changes in posture beginning with leaning forward and gradually becoming more stooped is a sign of dementia and alzheimers, especially when posture changes are unexplained by neuropathy, arthritis, injury, etc..
You present as a bad faith MAGA troll If Biden were "riffing" you would be lobbying for an intervention, not loving it.
The inescapable fact is that Trump is a seditious, cognitively impaired, convicted felon running on being a retributive autocrat. All patriots oppose Trump.
Would you prefer I frame it as a “firehose of falsehoods”? Either way, it works out to the same thing. One guy spewing lie after lie after lie while the other guy tries to figure out what to attempt to debunk first. I’ve faced people like this before and even at my best performance, I’ve struggled. And I’m half Joes age.
and yet amazingly enough the msmedia and pundits have devoted very little time to the (gish gallop) tons of sh*t lying that trump was allowed to get away with. I am so hoping Lincoln project and other PACs use the content from trumps debate answers to decimate him in future commercials and they need to get going on social media also. Easy to talk 2 minutes if you are repeating the same answers regardless of the question you were asked - and CNN let him get away with that too.
And I'm old enough to remember when Trump said that in some states they're allowed to take newborn babies put them aside and decide whether to murder them or not. I'm also old enough to have been told by people in my lovely Republican neighborhood that abortions wouldn't be necessary if women would just keep their legs together. This is from a supposedly nice person. And a Christian. So at this point my opinion is that just like abortion, This is a decision that should be made between the person involved and the ones who know his health situation the best. And then the rest of us just have to suck it up and prevent Trump from becoming president. However, we need to do it.
Governor Northam said he wanted that for Virginia. Moreover, at least a few states have turned down laws that would have required medical attention for children who survive abortion. So, what Trump said was essentially true.
We're not talking about a fetus who survives a late term abortion. I'm talking about the ridiculous idea that people have 9 month abortions just because they don't feel like having the kid and they were too lazy to get it done earlier
Except, that’s not what he said. He said that there are some states that want to allow for survivors of abortion not to get medical attention and to be left to die. And this happens to be true.
If you don't like that example you could pick any number of other lies that he told during the debate, so we're basically arguing liar versus a person who can't remember. Sorry, I know which one I'd rather have. You can always be reminded but you can't fix a liar
Remember the one of the rules was that neither candidate would have notes. It is not surprising that some of his facts and figures might be a little off. Trump didn't need notes because he was not the least concerned about even being in the ballpark.
Well he said something that wasn't accurate. so was it a lie or a mistake? I mean is he forgetful or a deliberate liar? Or you just going to pick one or the other depending on what you want to prove? The other thing I'm old enough to know is that I'm not stupid, but I no longer have the ability to remember facts and figures off the top of my head, especially in the kind of circumstance he was in the pressure of being under the spotlight and probably worrying and wondering when Trump was going to bring up one or both of his sons with his deceitful crap.
Northam is a pediatric neurologist and we all know what he said and meant unless we are, I don’t know, Opus Dei or Samuel Alito.
Babies who could not be saved would be kept comfortable from birth until their death.
That happens often. Mothers and fathers have photos taken of their babies posthumously because there was so little time. Babies in unbelievable agony are kept warm, and cuddled, until they pass away. Babies with no brains are held by their mothers and kissed until they die.
That’s what Northam said. He just talks like a doctor.
People who followed debates over climate change knew it then. That's where it came from. If you didn't follow the climate debate, it's probably new to you.
Every non-MAGA pundit in America had pinned their hopes on Biden having an awesome debate performance and putting the tangerine menace away for all time. They built it up in their heads all week - “oooh! Joe’s at Camp David prepping and Donny’s golfing” etc, etc. And then when Biden did Biden the pundits shit their pants and every one of them wrote, tweeted and podcast their way through their disappointment. Meanwhile, back in America, we saw an old man with a stutter get Gish galloped by a narcissist with a penchant for lying with every utterance.
Pundits have got to start understanding that while they - and we - are steeped in Donald’s crazy on a daily basis, most Americans have had little to no exposure to him over the last 4 years. And the 2 men they saw on that stage reminded them that Donald is a fucking lunatic and that Joe’s old. You can compensate for old. You can’t fix crazy.
Yes. All that. But. Especially those last lines. 💯 And who and what gets ALL the headlines?
As busy busy bee said. “Donald is a fucking lunatic and that Joe’s old. You can compensate for old. You can’t fix crazy”. 💯
I don't really like the idea that the problem was Trump's "Gish Gallop." I mean, sure, he's a pathological liar and a nincompoop with a lizard brain, but if fast talking and spouting lies is enough to derail Biden, what world leader isn't going to notice that and use it to their advantage? On the other hand, the "debate" doesn't remotely reflect the way that negotiations at high levels occur, so I'm not sure that it applies to real world situations. I hope the people around Biden are taking the issue very seriously and making the best decision for the country.
It is pointless to refute over and over again the same lies Trump has been spewing for years. He never stops and MAGA loves the lies. THE EFFORT NEEDED TO REFUTE A GISH GALLOP OF LIES IS EXPONENTIALLY GREATER THAN THE EFFORT TO GENERATE AND SPREAD SAID GISH GALLOP. Biden did not play Trump's game. Good for him. Stop letting Trump determine the parameters. The transcript of the debate which eliminates the distraction of his phlegmy cold shows Biden in command of policy of and facts, making Biden the clear winner.
With all due respect, your comment is the problem. If logic controlled, we wouldn’t be remotely considering Trump’s reelection. Wake up.
You bet logic is not controlling, not when half of swing voters believe the stock market is down and that we are in a recession. My comment is most certainly not the problem.
Yeah it makes it sound like he was debating Darth Vader. That was the usual trump
lol. That was *on his best behavior* Donald. Normal Donald is waaaaaaaaaaay more nuts. But, man, I would’ve given pretty much anything for some quality Hannibal Lecter shit sprinkled in for funsies!
What meeting with a world leader would one be constrained to 2 minute segments in which to attempt to set out as many talking points as one can before time runs out and your mic is cut off? I will go out on a limb and guess zero. Any leader on a phone call or in a physical meeting with another world leader will have both notes and a support staff to flesh out anything that might arise.
If one actually reads the transcript from the debate and removes Donny’s bombast and babbling lies, it’s actually remarkable how much normal shit Joe said throughout the night. Seth Abramson did just that for his substack yesterday and I was surprised that Joe had actually gotten that much out of his mouth hole on Thursday night. If you’re interested…https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/by-obsessing-over-tv-visuals-rather
I agree with this. It's not just better on reading the transcript. I have heard some of the answers replayed audio only, and the impact is quite different. If it weren't for the absolutely dreadful confusion/misfire where he suddenly leapt from discussing abortion to the murder of a woman by a migrant, I would be far less alarmed. And the terrible performance on the rehearsed 2 minute closer was very discouraging. Nonetheless, I am worried about both the political repercussions and the fact that it's not just about getting to the election; it's his ability to function well for four more years, which is something I am 100 percent confident that Trump can't do.
It’s funny how little we think about those who will surround a POTUS before that person takes office. I have total faith that if Joe wins, the country will be fine, we will move along in relatively the same direction as before and if it gets bad, those around Joe will be able to convince him to retire and Kamala - who, lest we forget, has been by his side for the last 4 years - and the rest of the team they’ve assembled should be able to continue the mission just fine.
Meanwhile, you’ve got Donny who burned through 44 senior staff in his first term and by the end was left with little but xenophobes who were blindly loyal to him, not America or the Constitution. Who do ya think will be staffing the White House if he wins in 2024? Project 2025 is 800 pages long and worth reading every word of because it’s terrifying af and if he’s given an opportunity to implement even a quarter of it, this country will be irreparably changed forever.
That’s the choice in November. There is no one who is going to ride in on a magic carpet, throw some pixie dust around or wave a wand to make any of this change. There’s no mechanism to force Joe out and the only person who can use the $ he’s raised is Kamala. And while I personally think she’s grown and matured in the last 4 years, one would be hard pressed to find many kind words about her outside of Black Twitter.
Happy Sunday?
Gish galloped..the latest lefty talking point that nobody every heard of until six minutes ago. A life preserver as much as a talking point. Oh what are we going to say when the world finally has to admit Joe has dementia? Oh, Gish galloping. The other guy talked all the way through his allotted two minutes and Joe was not sentient enough to rebut.
Nobody except social science and poli sci majors and those of us who have read a book since college and debaters and teachers and English majors and a lot of other people and it’s surprising how many people want to parade their shortcomings in the public square, amirite?
And it is most certainly *not* leftist🙄
poli sci majors? Golly. Poli sci majors. Heh.
Yet you have no issues with trump’s obvious signs of mental decline?
I’ve never seen any.
Seriously? You are definitely a magat if you can't see and hear his slurred words, incomplete, trailed off thoughts, the way he stands leaning forward, the way he goes off into bizarre tangents, etc.
He will stand firm 90 minutes and riff. It’s remarkable.
It is the same fire hose of lies over and over again. Hardly a riff.
Leaning forward is a sign of mental decline? Never heard that one. Bizarre tangents. He's riffing. Stream of consciousness. We love it.
I am talking about the fire hose of lies. Yes, we know you love the lies and care nothing about facts. I said nothing about leaning forward. You are so afflicted with TDS you cannot keep track of who you are talking to. But since you brought it up, yes, changes in posture beginning with leaning forward and gradually becoming more stooped is a sign of dementia and alzheimers, especially when posture changes are unexplained by neuropathy, arthritis, injury, etc..
https://agsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1532-5415.1993.tb06969.x
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-12605-7
https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/lewy-body-dementia/what-lewy-body-dementia-causes-symptoms-and-treatments
https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-dementia/types-of-dementia/frontotemporal-dementia
You present as a bad faith MAGA troll If Biden were "riffing" you would be lobbying for an intervention, not loving it.
The inescapable fact is that Trump is a seditious, cognitively impaired, convicted felon running on being a retributive autocrat. All patriots oppose Trump.
Trump riffs.
Would you prefer I frame it as a “firehose of falsehoods”? Either way, it works out to the same thing. One guy spewing lie after lie after lie while the other guy tries to figure out what to attempt to debunk first. I’ve faced people like this before and even at my best performance, I’ve struggled. And I’m half Joes age.
and yet amazingly enough the msmedia and pundits have devoted very little time to the (gish gallop) tons of sh*t lying that trump was allowed to get away with. I am so hoping Lincoln project and other PACs use the content from trumps debate answers to decimate him in future commercials and they need to get going on social media also. Easy to talk 2 minutes if you are repeating the same answers regardless of the question you were asked - and CNN let him get away with that too.
I’m old enough to remember when Joe Biden said he didn’t lose any service members since he became president.
And I'm old enough to remember when Trump said that in some states they're allowed to take newborn babies put them aside and decide whether to murder them or not. I'm also old enough to have been told by people in my lovely Republican neighborhood that abortions wouldn't be necessary if women would just keep their legs together. This is from a supposedly nice person. And a Christian. So at this point my opinion is that just like abortion, This is a decision that should be made between the person involved and the ones who know his health situation the best. And then the rest of us just have to suck it up and prevent Trump from becoming president. However, we need to do it.
Governor Northam said he wanted that for Virginia. Moreover, at least a few states have turned down laws that would have required medical attention for children who survive abortion. So, what Trump said was essentially true.
We're not talking about a fetus who survives a late term abortion. I'm talking about the ridiculous idea that people have 9 month abortions just because they don't feel like having the kid and they were too lazy to get it done earlier
Except, that’s not what he said. He said that there are some states that want to allow for survivors of abortion not to get medical attention and to be left to die. And this happens to be true.
If you don't like that example you could pick any number of other lies that he told during the debate, so we're basically arguing liar versus a person who can't remember. Sorry, I know which one I'd rather have. You can always be reminded but you can't fix a liar
Biden‘s first answer was a lie, about the unemployment rate when he became president.
Remember the one of the rules was that neither candidate would have notes. It is not surprising that some of his facts and figures might be a little off. Trump didn't need notes because he was not the least concerned about even being in the ballpark.
Well he said something that wasn't accurate. so was it a lie or a mistake? I mean is he forgetful or a deliberate liar? Or you just going to pick one or the other depending on what you want to prove? The other thing I'm old enough to know is that I'm not stupid, but I no longer have the ability to remember facts and figures off the top of my head, especially in the kind of circumstance he was in the pressure of being under the spotlight and probably worrying and wondering when Trump was going to bring up one or both of his sons with his deceitful crap.
Well, I'd have to go re-listen to it in order to confirm that that's what he said and I have no intention of doing that
Northam is a pediatric neurologist and we all know what he said and meant unless we are, I don’t know, Opus Dei or Samuel Alito.
Babies who could not be saved would be kept comfortable from birth until their death.
That happens often. Mothers and fathers have photos taken of their babies posthumously because there was so little time. Babies in unbelievable agony are kept warm, and cuddled, until they pass away. Babies with no brains are held by their mothers and kissed until they die.
That’s what Northam said. He just talks like a doctor.
Gish gallop was coined in the 1990s.
And you learned about it six minutes ago.
People who followed debates over climate change knew it then. That's where it came from. If you didn't follow the climate debate, it's probably new to you.
Wrong. It's literally named after Duane Gish, a young earth creationist. It was from creationism vs evolution, not climate change debates.
The idea that it is impossible to counteract is pure, absurd cope though. There are plenty of ways to counteract it! Biden did in 2020!
Write a chapter about it three books ago (Global Warming is Real and it’s a Good Thing)
No, I learned about it in the 1990s.