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The Strobis Weakly's avatar

Absolutely. I’m very disappointed in The Bulwark and SOME other Substacks AND the NYTimes (e.g., the execrable Thomas Friedman) for panicking and demanding that we dump Biden. Jesus Christ. He’s been the best President in decades, his Administration is unparalleled, his achievements are endless.

I’m sick of reading “He’s a good man, he’s served his country with honor, he’s restored the good name of the USA, he’s done this, he’s done that, we love him, we do; but he had one bad night of optics in a debate. So let’s give him thanks and find someone else to head the ticket, so a racist convicted felon who embraces fascism, has no qualms about selling his country down the river, is devoid of ethics and compassion and intelligence, and is the very opposite of Joe Biden can't win in November.”

No. Put Biden out to pasture over appearance, not substance, and I’ll never forgive the Democratic Party. Leave him alone.

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Sarah's avatar

It's as much substance as it is appearance. He's not capable of carrying the message or making the argument against Trump that the nominee should be able to. The debate (and the fact that he hasn't tried to prove people's perceptions of the debate wrong in the days since) made that very clear.

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Walternate 🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇺🇹🇼🇩🇰🇬🇱🇲🇽🇵🇦's avatar

"Put Biden out to pasture over appearance, not substance, and I’ll never forgive the Democratic Party."

If Biden runs and loses to Trump, history will never forgive him.

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The Strobis Weakly's avatar

It won’t be Biden's fault. If the Democrats had to run Charles Manson against Tя☭mp to save Democracy, I’d vote for Manson. All that’s important in November is what’s at stake, which is Democracy. If I had to vote for Manson just to keep the White House out of Tя☭mp's tiny hands, I would.

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Walternate 🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇺🇹🇼🇩🇰🇬🇱🇲🇽🇵🇦's avatar

Yes, you would vote for Charles Manson. Hell, I’d vote for Charles Manson. But we’re exceptional people. That you and I are having this conversation means we’re not like most people that will need to be convinced. Those people aren’t paying close attention. Are you certain they can’t be persuaded that Biden is too old? Maybe not. I mean, they haven’t been convinced Trump is an existential threat, so…

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SandyG's avatar

Do you want to beat Trump? I'm sure the answer is yes. Is Biden the best candidate to do so? I'm not sure. Shouldn't we be sure? We've got a risk of losing to Trump with Biden. What about the alternatives? We don't know because there was no Dem primary, even though nearly 80% of registered Dems didn't want Biden to run for a second term.

And it's not "one bad night of optics". His press conference after the Hur report came out was very bad. His avoiding the Super Bowl interview was bad. His insistence that the economy is good to people hurting from inflation was bad. His weakness with Netenyahu is bad.

And performance considered by some as the worst of any candidate ever at a televised debate with 45 million people watching is not just optics.

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