Tim and Cam discuss young Americans’ response to the latest Ukraine news, and why they don’t show the same passion toward that cause as they have toward the war in Gaza.
Plus, digital creator Ellie Schnitt comes on the pod to talk about the ‘manosphere’ and its popularity among young men. Oh, and Ellie is also Cam’s ex-girlfriend.
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I was brought up to believe it is better to die fighting than to live on your knees
I love these conversations. Thanks again Bulwark for your great work
Very true, Ellie. Dems are so fucking uptight, over-button-down that they cannot possibly make the point of how the right isn't normal. Maybe they need some edibles or bourbon (need to support of bourbon makers). Maybe our dems are far too sober.
I want to preface that I think the idea of a gen z pod generally is a good idea, but As a 23 year old democrat from Los Angeles, who went to school in Wisconsin and now lives in New York i am of the belief that Cam is not the best representative to achieve what this pod is set out to do. Perhaps it’s personal bias on my end, but the way he talks about things and the insights he shares on young adults does not resonate in the slightest with me and at times does not even sound as though we’d belong to the same party. It is imperative that Dems moving forward find a way to meaningfully connect with young adults our age, and as someone sympathetic to some of his views, I find myself wanting to not be associated with his school of thought.
P.P.S Being a Luigi sympathizer like Ellie is abhorrent and a pretty perfect encapsulation of what is wrong with young democrats and people's aversion to it.
Also for the love of god, let’s not encourage Hasan Piker fans lol
I will not claim to be an expert, but I think the answer to the question what to tell the folks who say that Ukraine has no chance of beating Russia so they must compromise (their land) is actually fairly easy. They could easily defeat Russian with the full support of their allies and I think we could do it without US boots on the ground. Serious, not half assed sanctions, more military support (weapons, ammunition, intel., etc) was/is what is needed. I think it could have already ended if we had been more supportive from the beginning. Yes, it involves investment of resources on our end but some things warrant that. I think a good analogy is the bully on the playground. You must stand up to them or they will just keep on. Ukraine has done a valiant job, but the other kids on the playground need to step in and put the bully in his place to show the world that this is unacceptable behavior that won't be tolerated. Ukrainians are prepared to lay down their lives, the least we could do is back them up with resources and sanctions. Plus, we already agreed to provide security to Ukraine when they agreed to give up their nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, agreements and contracts don't seem to mean anything to us anymore which is why we've lost the trust of the world.
If you were all banned from using the word "like" every three words, you wouldn't even be able to talk.
White men are now having to compete. For jobs, for partners, for fame, attention wealth…. And they don’t like it.
So the question for Gen Z is: what would they fight for?
Don’t forget North Koreans are now fighting for Russia
We’ve got to hit rock bottom for recovery
Maybe the distinction about Oct 7 and Gaza is Hamas is a terrorist org versus a US supported bombing of civilization
So far this show is pretty good. I’m learnin a lot about what people younger than me think about stuff.
Awww, that was sweet. What a cute (ex) couple. Maybe you’ll find your way back to each other one day❤️
I’m so glad to have met yet another smart, funny, articulate, accomplished gen z-er. There’s hope for the future yet!
We live in a society where individualism reigns supreme. There no longer is a spirit of solidarity between the nations and peoples of this world. I visited the Battle of the Bulge museum in Bastogne, Belgium, last summer. Highly recommended. There was a book with questions for the viewing visitors. One was:" If you had been alive at the onset of WWII, would you have wanted your country to join in the fight against Germany/fascism"? The amount of negative answers was eye-opening and, to me, disturbing.
Tim, the next time you have a GenZ gal on who has an online presence, can you ask about how they deal with online trolling and harassment? I just finished Nina Jankowicz's "How to be a Woman Online: Surviving Abuse and Harassment, and How to Fight Back" and I would love a discussion of the amount of abuse there is online/the whole issue of trolling/etc.........
People seem to be hating on this episode but I thought it was interesting. I am very interested in hearing people where they are. I know I’ll disagree with them sometimes but it doesn’t make their viewpoint suddenly not count. We need to know what people are saying, especially if they are wrong, so we can work to correct them. It’s why we have e the focus group pod, right? This is just that in long form… I hope you keep doing this, I will keep watching. I think it is important work because I hear things I do not hear elsewhere, so keep it up!
I find the content interesting. I don't mind the speech patterns.
It is oddly low energy for being the "young" podcast. When Tim, JV and Sarah get together, the conversation sparkles and pops. Here it seems very muted. Maybe these are just growing pains in getting this thing going.
Susan D. It is growing pains you are the only comment. I AM 74 and been a Political Advocate with many Political friends since I had dinner with Pres. Ford in 72,in SF.. HAVENT READ ANYTHING IN YOUR SUBSTACK . ANOTHER PODCAST. YUK!! YOUTUBE AND LINKEDIN KICKS ONE OFF IF THEY ARENT CAREFUL, NOT TO MENTION A NAME, PLACE, ETC
Tim, so glad you took the weekend off to celebrate your hubby’s milestone birthday. And during Mardi Gras! My (older) gen z son and his wife are going to New Orleans this coming weekend to celebrate his birthday. Such a fun city!
Tim has brought up Barstool a few times lately. I really would love him to go on PFT’s (somewhat) more political show, Macrodosing. I think it would be entertaining and could bring in an important audience
Some pods keep aski g 'what are the dems doing? Now daily, since people obviously don't want to look it up, Dems are posting in list form what they are doing and it's deemed dumb. What exactly do people want done?
Speaking for myself here, Republicans have given Dems an absolute gift by walking out on their town halls and refusing to engage with their constituents. Dems have the opportunity to swoop in and say “don’t worry, I’m here to listen.” They should divide and conquer. Spread out over all 50 states. Red vs. blue state is a myth. Show people that you care about them. Yes, Republicans have the propaganda machine and the disinformation strategy working for them, but Dems can have the edge REAL LIFE. Real life ALWAYS wins, no matter what anyone says. The only way to cut through the online noise is to start bringing people together OFFLINE. When people start to see that what Repubs are saying online does not match up with their experience of talking to or hearing from Dems in person, they will start coming around. Right now Bernie Sanders is the ONLY liberal politician doing this, and it’s inexcusable. It shouldn’t fall entirely on an 83 year old man to shoulder all the responsibility. Dems at every level of government should be working tirelessly to turn the tide angaibst Trump. They need to put their minor differences aside and unite on one thing: Preserving our democracy by resisting Trump at every turn. Confirming his cabinet members is inexcusable. Vote no on EVERYTHING. Disrupt him every chance you get (hats off to Al Green…wish the others followed suit). That’s what I want to see, not tshirts and ping pong paddles. Give me a break.
Cameron and Ellie -- gosh, they just look and sound like such children to me. I'm so old.
“Be meaner to the freaks” ♥️ Another from Ellie, my new hero.
Yes Ellie (pls come on regularly!), I wholeheartedly agree about leaning in to how cringy and gross the right wing is.
MORE PODS??? I can't listen to more than 1 a day! You guys, and dozens and dozens of other pods all want my attention. Megspod overload!!!
helps a little to put them on a faster speed. but, agreed!
Shout out to "If you give a mouse a cookie!"
Tim, Kristen Bell's husband has a little podcast. hahah
Tim Miller (52:10): “People do not respond to positive policy incentives. They do respond to negging the other side.”
An old, short, no name Jew generated massive enthusiasm in 2016 by doing both.
First, he bitched about the rich not paying their fair share in taxes (negging). Second, he promised the masses more entitlement programs (positive policy incentives).
If a younger more charismatic D used this playbook in 2028 I think they would win.
I think Tim used the word "negging" rather than "nagging".
My bad. Too much rock-n-roll in my youth has affected my hearing.
But I think my point still stands.
"Negging is a manipulative tactic that involves making someone feel bad about themselves." I think shaming the rich to pay more taxes fits that definition.
I can't. I feel like they are more performers than anything rn. I see a foundation for informative listening but not yet. She is more interesting than Cameron. He is too full of himself.
That is an interesting comment--don't you think that we are forcing all young people in our culture into being performative? Social media is sort of a performance art, and it's the dominant form of communication amongst young folks--are we creating humans in our society that are just performers?
Agreed. A generation that grew up with SM, reality TV and a performative news outlets of sorts, probably have been conditioned. Me, personally, I have trouble listening to it, which may cause me to miss important take aways. That's on me.
I think you should just play clips of Bernie Sanders talking about Ukrainian democracy for the youths. I’ve heard he’s v popular among them. He’s been putting out some bangers lately. His clips go viral on TikTok and he does rlly well on YouTube considering he’s like 150 yrs old.
I think one thing Bulwark needs to reflect on is that obv there are going to be mistakes in the goal of creating a humane international order, but that’s why there needs to be rigorous accountability on people who screw up. And we especially need to be tougher on our allies when they commit war crimes. To protect against the norm of territorial integrity, it is actually more important Bulwark speak out against Israel annexing the West Bank than Putin taking Ukrainian territory. The sanctity of law and norms only holds when the world witnesses those norms applied to our allies, it cannot just be a tool to punish our adversaries. In a moment of China’s rise and potential multi polarity in international relations, where we can’t get our way through power alone, the case for establishing norms that would hold even when we aren’t the most powerful country in the world is even more imp.
Giving a pass to our allies breeds cynicism and absence of even a pretense of neutral application of law, there’s going to be a jungle and only cynicism, and Trump wins because he isn’t even *trying* to uphold moral values. Israel has a right to exist, it was created through international law, but it needs to exist within defined boundaries. The Israeli far right should not be allowed to mass expel a certain ethnic population and then re-populate that area with another ethnicity of ppl. I’m increasingly convinced ethnic cleansing will happen, but it’s important that it doesn’t happen with American made weapons and that we condemn it. It’s the 21st century and the principle of territorial integrity must be defended.
The bland discussion about Ukraine, the notion that they should consider giving up because they’re losing anyhow completely ignores the fact that they are actually winning. They have innovated incredibly with drone technology, and last week blew up an ammo depot creating an explosion, several times the size of Hiroshima depriving the Russians of a huge amount of war, material. They have done this again and again. In the last day or two they sent drones 1200 km into Russia to blow up a major refinery. They have been incredibly brave and smart, have pushed Russia back and are holding the line. Think what they could do with real assistance.
Russia’s economy is on the ropes and they have lost 800,000 men. That they have to import soldiers from North Korea is pathetic. They have also not any gained territory with all that loss of life.
This does not even address existential threat that Russian aggression poses to Europe. The attitude yeah sure we should do the right thing if we can is so shallow—the places that are taken back from Russia are full of mass Graves and torture chambers—that is what our privileged and uninformed American attitude would condemn Ukraine to.
Other facts worth mentioning are the Bucharest agreement in which Ukraine gave up its nukes and we guaranteed their security, as did Russia, who has now invaded and killed so many. So the Russians are liars that’s not news, but us too?
Geopolitically China loves what they’re seeing and is conducting war exercises off the coast of Australia.
I think GENZ has this correct. They are pointing out the Hypocrisy in terms of Gaza vs Ukraine.
I see Tim being uncomfortable whenever Gaza comes up and he will stir in Oct 7. This is really lame. There is history in the region before Oct. 7 and the reaction from Bibi was not justified and now he has stopped all aid again. It is pure and simple absurdity. May be this is a good thing to side with Putin for US. This makes US behavior consistent. Be with the bad guy period!!!
I suspect I am younger than the average subscriber (but older than Gen Z). Unlike some of the angry, cynical commentary here, I have a different perspective. I was still in school when 9/11 happened. I grew up bearing witness to the shameful war in Iraq, the disgraceful treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, the use of Guantanamo Bay to circumvent human rights and habeas corpus, and countless other atrocities and indignities by the Bush administration that essentially went unchecked. Watching these events unfold in real time led me to develop a deep distrust of our government’s foreign policy motives as well as a distaste towards our unconditional support for Israel and American interventionalism more broadly. Suffice to say that I’m not the least bit surprised that younger people have taken a sharp turn towards isolationism and have no interest in supporting either Ukraine nor Israel. To me, this reads as entirely consistent, not as contradictory. They are not seeking the US government’s support for Gaza, they are seeking a withdrawal of support for Israel (or at least a withdrawal of unconditional support). Right or wrong, it’s not a hypocritical position to take.
Nevertheless, it is worth mentioning that the narrative of Gen Z being markedly conservative is false. Young people still backed Kamala Harris by the biggest margin of any age group. The 44% of Gen Z Trump voters are no different than their older counterparts. They are delusional to believe he is some kind of champion of peace or advocate for their domestic concerns, but it would be a mistake to ignore or balk at these concerns, no matter how misplaced they may be. There has never been a time where young people responded to being scolded, mocked, and dismissed by their elders, particularly when those elders are responsible for so many of the problems they are facing in the first place.
This pod is so fun. Thank you for talking about dem politics & politics in general in a dope and fun, not annoying way that doesn’t make me feel like I’m listening to a freshmen year undergrad residence hall diversity training.
Cameron's take (beginning at 48:30) that Harris delivered mostly "preachy," "pedantic woke talk" seems wrong. She and her campaign went to great lengths to downplay identity politics and to wrap themselves in the American flag. Harris liked to promise a more "lethal" US military.
Maybe none of that appealed to Cameron or his friends. However you want to describe it, though, it wasn't "woke."
Some observers of US political culture still reflexively press that button, the complaint that the Democratic Party as a whole is too far left on cultural issues. The complaint may have been valid amid the exuberance of the Me Too and BLM protests circa 2020, but for years now the leadership of the Democratic Party at the national level has been resolutely moderate and centrist (left of center but tacking more right- than leftward).
One mistake that the Harris campaign did make on cultural issues was to overplay their hand on abortion. Even stalwart pro-lifers will vote for a pro-choice Democrat if he or she votes pro-choice but doesn't celebrate "reproductive rights" or "reproductive freedom," expressions that to the ears of culturally conservative or moderate voters sound dishonest and evasive. In the Senate, Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D, NY) was mostly a reliable pro-choice vote, but he never publicly advocated for that cause. Present-day Democrats can learn from his example.
I learn from FYPod and enjoyed this episode. Cameron is a good addition to the Bulwark team. I've gone to the trouble to explain my disagreement with him on this one point because I respect his commentary.
This threw me as well and I kept waiting for Tim to follow up on it to clarify, but he never did. I wondered if he actually meant 2020 Kamala Harris rather than 2024, but then he was talking about her saying “we’re not going back,” which was 2024. I would genuinely like some specific examples of what “pedantic woke” topics he thinks Harris campaigned on.
Either way, these voters are about to find out that voting for Harris on the basis that she is not Trump was, in fact, sound advice and a great reason to support her. It’s always a good idea to vote for the person who is not promising to be a dictator.
The response to "You Don't Have the Cards" should have been; "But America is the strongest country in the world and YOU DO have the power to defeat Putin and save Democracy - Or are you saying the US is weaker than Russia? Or worse are you saying the US is no longer committed to standing up for Democracy in the world? That the US is now allied with Communist Dictators like Kim and Xi and Putin? I double dog dare a reporter to say that to Trump and Musk.
Trump is anti democracy, so that is why he is supporting Russia. That is why Europe is going to have to get it together. Right now they have gotten a money plan, but not the troops, coordination or weapons. So, how long will it take to get there? While Europe beefs up, Trump is going to destroy our economy and how is he going to pay for our military then? Tariffs and kleptocracy. Stealing from us to line their pockets.
Somebody needs to brush up on why the way the criminal justice system works. There is not no evidence in that murder case. If there was no evidence the guy wouldn't be charged,i which he is. A charge is not the same as arrest. A certain amount of evidence, enough to charge him exists. Whether there is enough for a conviction is up to a trail decision.
America did not get into WWII because of the Holocaust. After Pearl Harbor was bombed the US entered the war. Is the first sentence being taught in schools or did someone just jumble up facts into some sort of argument for their point of view.
Love Ellie!
“JD Vance…. So skin crawling unlikeable”
😂
Are these guests speaking from actual person-to-person, face-to-face interactions with actual people, or is the communication all or mostly online?
Thanks for doing this pod, Tim. I enjoy hearing from the youths. I’m going to say something in mild critique that I would also say about most of the Bulwark content—y’all are so white. Are there no black or brown youths you might invite on? Having a young woman was a start—keep going!
What I would like is if you talk about Russia and Ukraine do some research. Russia is dying out there. They cannot manage without the support of North Korea for soldiers, Iran and Venezuela for weapons, and Trump to get rid of sanctions. Those getting rid of sanctions is like the US sending weapons to Russia to use on Ukraine, because that is going to be us helping to pay for them. Ukraine needs support, but with it, they are well positioned to negotiate a peace.
Sharing it with my Gen Z family members to see what they think.
Thank you for making that point. It's a crucial but neglected part of the story.
The combined GDP of the US and the EU is 22 times that of Russia.
Between them, the US, the EU, and Ukraine have more than three times as many active-duty soldiers as Russia. More than a quarter of the activity-duty soldiers in the US, the EU, and Ukraine are Ukrainians, who ask for no boots on the ground from other countries. They ask for military equipment and ammunition as they continue to defend their borders and, in the process, the eastern edge of democratic Europe.
Drones, relatively inexpensive, play an increasing role in how the war is being fought. Advantage: Ukraine
Russia is weak. A coalition of the willing can send the Russian army home. The US has withdrawn from the coalition and thereby diminished it, as the US negotiates with Russia about how to divide Europe between them, either forgetting the lessons of the Sudetenland crisis and the Ribbentrop–Molotov Pact or remembering them and saying to themselves "Let's give it another try."
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It makes me crazy that people think Russia is so strong. Ukraine is doing amazingly well with its innovative drone warfare.
And Russia has a corrupt military and governmental structure that weakens everything they try to do. Kleptocracies and not deigned to run a country well. That is what the USA is by the way under Trump and Musk. So, as Trump tanks the economy with his tariffs, which I believe are raising such hostility to the US the likes of which have not been seen before, that there will be less GDP, and less collected taxes to pay the military who may go looking for people who will pay them. In any case, Trump is doing a lot to weaken the best military in the world. Let us hope that Trump is out before the military succumbs to his designs.
I don’t care about the skin colour of the hosts and guests. Everyone is unique, that is enough diversity for me.
This is a cop out. People have different perspectives that are informed by their experiences, and experiences can differ considerably based on one’s race or ethnicity, among other factors. It is always a good thing to bring in people from varying backgrounds so you are exposed to a wide range of ideas that you might not otherwise encounter.
I’m choosing to interpret “uncool” as “dangerous” in this version of the English language visa à vis JD Vance and Musk. At least I hope that’s a correct view.
Boomer here (as if you can't tell by my name...) and I appreciated this. I well remember when my cohort had points of view very different from those of our elders, and while I now may be the elder whose perspective differs from those who follow. I find it useful to learn about what those perspectives are. They've grown up in a wildly different environment and will, after all, be the ones who will (hopefully) live through our current times and have to build whatever comes after my generation exits the stage. In the meantime it might be helpful for us to try to understand one another. Anyway, thank you, Tim.
Witchy Bitchy Bully Manliness = Soy Right Theory from Max Read....
Ukraine IS NOT losing the war. Stop saying that. It's always 110 times harder to win as the aggressor than win as the defender, and Ukraine has a shit ton more support than Russia does. This idea that Ukraine is losing is a trump talking point, and it's a lie.
To your point, the Taliban were "losing" the war for 20 years until they won. The Syrian militias were "losing" the war against the Assad regime until they won.
Home field advantage is a real thing. Allowing Putin to run roughshod over Ukraine would be an unimaginable failure. An absurd outcome, frankly. It appears Trump is actively supporting that outcome. Each day, it seems more and more clear to me that he hates this country and everyone in it.
Thank you for pointing that out. The notion that Ukraine is losing is disinformation. I wrote at length about that below.
Thanks for pointing this out. Seems careless to me to spread that.
Absolutely right!
Funny Cam didn’t mention young folks don’t know about 9/11 that NATO countries helped us fight.
They also don’t know that Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for a promise that we would protect them from invasion.
Budapest Memorandum, 1994.
Boomer (72) here. I really enjoyed listening to the podcast today. May I please clarify a fact and offer an observation. The US didn't enter WWII because we were offended by the Holocaust, Cam. We did it because Germany declared war on us a few days after Japan did, with Pearl Harbor. Probably FDR knew about the Holocaust going in, but Americans at large didn't. Second, I really enjoyed Ellie's fresh perspective, at my age I need to hear from her and others like her. I hope she believes that a second really good reason to help Ukraine ("they need our help, and its the right thing to do") is that Putin, aside from being evil, is unabashedly imperialist and terrritorialist, and if Ukraine falls, Poland and others may be next. And the protection offered by our big beautiful ocean will be a lot less effective.
Correct. The US did not enter the war primarily due to the holocaust situation. The US government and population had plenty of antisemitism before and after that. A very readable and excellent book I recommend to anyone interested in the events leading up to the bombing of London and America's entrance into the war is "The Splendid and the Vile" by Erik Larson.
Nonintervention — its critics called it isolationism — was the mainstream, consensus position among the American population right up to December 7, 1941, when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. At least that's my understanding of what H. W. Brands says in his new book about Lindbergh, FDR, and the run-up to US involvement in the Second World War.
Brands spoke about the book at length on Shield of the Republic a few weeks ago. I recommend it:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/charles-lindbergh-and-the-ghosts
Thank you for this and for the reference. I'll read it! My comment was intended to address Cam's remark during the podcast that we went to war with Germany over the matter of the Holocaust.
Why do young people think that Ukraine is losing? As long as we keep the economic sanctions on Russia they are running out of resources. This is just a matter of resource for ongoing warfare. If we provide resources for Ukraine, they can beat Russia. Unfortunately, if we remove the sanctions on Russia, the equation changes. Long-term warfare is just a matter of which side has enough resources and people to lose. So far, Russia has been losing more resources and people and they’ve gotten into a desperate situation. Russia can only afford to keep this up for another year or two before they will fail. We certainly have the resources to keep Ukraine in the game for this length of time.
Ukraine is losing ground. Slowly, but it's happening. The war is a disaster for Russia, but that doesn't mean they're not winning it. Ideally we would be providing far more support or entering the war on Ukraine's side.
Enjoyed this podcast substance-wise. I have enjoyed all of them in that respect, actually. As for the tone--bravo! Seems to me that wrinkles are being ironed out quickly and this podcast is a good balance between respectful, engaged discussion and irreverance/fun. Looking forward to more.
I do have an observation about the case against the accused killer of the United Health CEO. Ellie said "there is no evidence" that the killer committed the crime. I am not sure exactly what she was thinking when she said that, but it appears that to the contrary, there IS evidence that he committed the crime. I am not advocating mindless belief in official information, but prosecutors have argued that evidence of guilt is robust and includes forensic evidence like DNA and shell casings. Even the alleged killer's attorney has not argued there is NO evidence. She has argued that the evidence is insufficient to criminally convict. She has also argued that evidence of innocence may have been withheld by the prosecution. That would be illegal and unethical if it is true. (There are other problems with the case that don't involve the existence of evidence per se, but do involve important issues of unconstitutional search and seizure, prejudice in public images of the defendant, etc.) Our criminal justice system is far from perfect but I am loathe to assume the worst before such allegations and counters are adjudicated. Bottom line: I suggest not just to young people like Ellie but to all of us: choose words as carefully as possible in the interests of being accurate and not contributing to fear and anger on the basis of emotion or fleeting impressions derived from headlines. Again, I do not know exactly what Ellie was thinking when she said what she said, but I submit that all of us need to check ourselves now more than ever as we navigate the tumultous, polarized political and social environment in which we find ourselves.
Are young people aware that Ukraine was in possession of a very large cash of nuclear weapons at the end of the Soviet Union and that they only agreed to relinquish these weapons upon assurances of their security by the US Britain and Russia? They were concerned Russia would invade them so they insisted on this agreement. Would this make any difference to young people? Ukrainians gave up their defense against Russia with nuclear arms in an agreement that included the United States promising to protect Ukraine from invasion. This was not that long ago. Would this make a difference to young people?
Also, why don’t we hear more discussion on this? This should be discussed in every conversation we have about our support of Ukraine.
See
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-security-assurances-glance
“1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances
To solidify security commitments to Ukraine, the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances on December 5, 1994. A political agreement in accordance with the principles of the Helsinki Accords, the memorandum included security assurances against the threat or use of force against Ukraine’s territory or political independence. The countries promised to respect the sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine. Parallel memorandums were signed for Belarus and Kazakhstan as well. In response, Ukraine officially acceded to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state on December 5, 1994. That move met the final condition for ratification of START, and on the same day, the five START states-parties exchanged instruments of ratification, bringing the treaty into force.
2009 Joint Declaration by Russia and the United States
Russia and the United States released a joint statement in 2009 confirming that the security assurances made in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum would still be valid after START expired in 2009.”
Just clarifying a fact. The speaker who claimed that Bibi don't hold elections, is dead wrong. Bibi was reelected in 2022 and is well within four year cycle. Its very off putting when such a blatant error is made which betrays utter ignorance about the topic is discussion.
He didn't hold elections during the conflict. That was the point that was being made. Also if this war was over his coalition would likely collapse. Hence him prolonging it.
Am I watching Tim have a midlife crisis?
The US convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes because the US would always have their back against Russia. More recently, Ukraine wanted to join NATO for protection. THAT is why Americans should care about Ukraine. But I guess orange clown has put the final nail in the coffin.
Because Ukraine does not fit the rubric that many Millenial/Gen Y "intellectuals" use to describe the world - Intersectionality and Settler Colonialism/Imperialism. If Ukraine was populated by People of Color, the rioting would never stop. It's part of the toxic narcissism/identity politics that has given the left such a bad reputation. Who cares if a bunch of white Europeans blow themselves back into the Stone Age...it's not trending on their social media...These are the same people that are shocked - shocked - to have supported Trump because
"Kamala didn't say she'd end the war in Gaza", only to see Trump recommending full ethnic cleansing of Gaza and having Bibi Netanyahu as his first foreign head of state visitor. Hope they're all happy with what they voted for - or got by not voting.
Do they honestly not know that Putin is sending people into a meat grinder as well, including some North Koreans??
What about the stolen Ukrainian children?
Yeah, a lot more Russians and N Koreans have been ground than Ukrainians.
Hey! Is Risk still a game people play? One look at that board and you’ll see the strategic importance of Ukraine. It’s literally in the center.
I've never heard more bullshit on your podcast than this crap today from your supposedly funny friend. No wonder Donald John Trump has taken over our government without a fight. If this is what you are going to promote in the future, I won't be renewing my subscription. If I want to hear apologist horseshit, I can watch Fox Fake News and Fairytales.
wut?
Did I stutter, sir?
Are there similar traits given to Boomers and Millennials? I think the apathy trait ascribed to GenZ was also given to GenX in the 90s.
Exactly this. I'm Gen X and what Cameron is saying about his own generation people were saying ad nauseum about us when we were young. Kids always think they're the originator of these things when they're just another iteration of the same thing. lol.
One reason I've been baffled by the Gen Z swing to Trump is that I was (naively I suppose) so sure that young people were largely up in arms about climate change. You'd have to be living in a cave not to know that Republicans in general and Trump in particular were planning to do nothing whatsoever about it -- quite the opposite! Gen Z will be the ones living with the consequences of out-of-control climate change, yet they seem to have dropped the issue. I can't figure out why.
I locally saw the collapse of a lot of environmental groups during Covid due to the sort of RFK Jr/anti-vaxx segment of the crunchy environmental types, none of the local groups I belonged to pre-Covid are even still active. I'm an environmentalist because the science supports us being in climate crisis--science also shows the benefits of vaccination, and I'm not going to hang out with groups of people who don't believe in vaccinating........
Still waiting to hear a trans voice.
Cam's face when Ellie started talking about how he likes his scrambled eggs was priceless.
Yay! The flamingo is lighted, and it's pink! 🩷 🦩
Why doesn't Ukraine elicit the same passion as Gaza? The answer to me looks like - because Israel and Jews are not involved... and because Ukrainians and Russians are white Europeans who aren't oppressed. Try to get college students excited about white European anything. Then again, college students aren't consistent in their focus on oppression - otherwise they would be passionately protesting the ongoing genocide of Uygurs and Tibetans by the Chinese. But no, they hardly care because evil America-Israel are not involved.
Maybe it's because they got stiffed by Joe Biden for their trouble. If college students protested because they thought it would matter, they were wrong. When Biden was asked if the protests would cause him to reevaluate US policy in Gaza, he grinned and said, "No, absolutely not!" He actually mocked them for being stupid enough to think he might listen to them. If Biden wouldn't listen, Trump certainly isn't going to. And Trump might use a campus protest to send in the military, just to show he could get away with it.
And why is it the job of just college students to protest injustice? I don't see Boomers out in the streets protesting about Ukraine or anything else. Does anyone in this country actually care about Ukraine? Tell me who that would be. Does anyone in this country actually care about Uyghurs or Tibetans? Tell me who that would be.
(FYI, China is trying to force the use of the alternative English spelling "Uygur" to separate the Uyghurs in China from other ethnically affiliated groups. If you cared, you would know.)
If you haven’t seen boomers protesting Ukraine you haven’t been looking.
Amen! They can't scream racism/colonialism/imperialism, so they don't care. I wish Tim would have asked about that.
I’m glad cam picked up on the reason gen z people protested Biden and not trump, specifically the idea that Biden was perceived as someone who could be swayed. It’s the most generous legitimate explanation, beyond vanity. However, it points to a serious lack of long-term forethought. Protesting one admin and not the other will create a narrative that can sway third parties. Gen z protesters, you indirectly played a role in electing the hopeless admin that won’t listen. Good grief.
P.S. Ukraine/Russia is a much less complicated case of good vs. evil them Gaza/Israel. Really I think gen z is just incredibly manipulable via propaganda.
the problem is; protesting and running down Biden ("genocide Joe") played a large role in FOTUS winning. and the younger people who protested Biden but won't protest Rump have completely undermined respect of their movement and their protests. protest requires courage. and not just courage to stand up to people who can be moved by the protest - but protest standing up to people who likely won't be moved by the protest (like in the 1960's). i have zero respect for the pro-Palestine protests and young people who participated in this; it was nothing short of a display of national anti-semitism and an immature display of toddler tantrums that accomplished nothing but ushering in this oligarchic dictatorship.
Go right at them on this topic of "masculinity".
trump, Vance, Leon, and the rest are not tough guys. They spend all of their time whining about being mistreated and not getting the thanks/credit/praise they feel they deserve. They bully those they see as weak and cower in the face of those they see as strong. JD Vance wears eyeliner. Musk and trump are the richest and most powerful people in the world and they cand handle people saying mean things about them on the internet.
Challenge them directly on their "masculinity" and "toughness". Call them out for being the opposite and watch their narcissistic meltdowns.
As an 80-year-old (yes!) who served in USAF Intel as a very young Staff Sergeant in the 1960s, I clearly have a worldview that is different from yours. Growing up in the 1950s was an almost idyllic setting, looking back. What I felt through much of my early adult life was a profound sense of pride in my country. I still "stand tall" during the national anthem. I salute Old Glory. I remove my hat.
Yet, I also have witnessed the failures of Vietnam, the shooting at Kent State; the assassination of JFK (my Commander-in-Chief); the assassination of Martin and RFK. Then there was Nixon. Ugh. (I voted for him 2x.) The Iraq "war" was carefully orchestrated to secure oil rights from the Kurds (thank you Dick Cheney / Haliburton.). Our history is sordid and non-too-pleasant, despite the efforts to portray us otherwise.
The ambush of President Zelenskyy was the most shameful and embarrassing act I have witnessed in all my years. You, Tim and Ellie, talk about today's young(er) generation. In their defense, have they been taught civics? U.S. history? Were they taught manners and "table etiquette? Do they really understand what is being lost throughout in this union with Russia? One does not know what they have lost until it is lost. Trump is hobbling and crippling our nation with sadistic pleasure. He has no bounds on hatred, cruelty; lies or deception. As the saying goes, "We have done it to ourselves." Yet, 50% of us did NOT buy into the nefarious screed. A dark and pernicious force is asserting itself into our body politic. If that force is not curtailed NOW, it will win and the people will suffer miserably. And, misery is what Trump, Vance and Musk want for the people. They are draping a veil of hopelessness across the land. Time is of the essence. Again, I thank you, Tim and Ellie. You are the breath of hope.
Not as senior as you, but I grew up as a child feeling the ambient attitude that there was God in heaven, and right below him was the President of the United States, the greatest man on earth. JFK had been recently assassinated and we learned about him like he was a martyred saint.
I was in early adulthood, I think, when it began to come out what a philandering serial adulterer he was, how little he actually accomplished during his half-term, and it almost broke my heart. I knew Nixon had been a crook, and was becoming aware of what corrupt liar LBJ had been, but John F. Kennedy? Since then I've become so disillusioned that I could mourn for the 1950s-60s child I was, so idealistic and innocent, with statesmen who actually behaved like statesmen most of the time.
My perception is somewhat different. I revered JFK. He did a lot in what you define as his "half-term". Each of us is flawed. But not all of us are crooks and liars. As to your idealism, hold onto it. The strength of our idealism helps us to get through "all of this". Innocence, naivete and being gullible in some crude fashion shield us. My mother would chide me from time to time for being so gullible. I took the world at first glance, often trusting people at face value only to later learn I had been duped. As to those "statesmen", I can lean on Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. Bush #1 garnered my respect and admiration, but Dumbya (Bush #2) was a disgrace. Looking across the worldscape, I see where we are sorely misguided and misdirected. We, the whites, are more concerned about the private sex lives of others. We dislike people because of their skin color or their country of origin. Or, their religion. Our self-proclaimed "Christians' are anything but Christian. (I am an ordained theologian.) The current occupant of the White House is a cruel and amoral traitor celebrated by fools and evangelicals. The people have yet to realize the suffering we may be in for. Your disillusionment is understandable. But do not allow that to also be your disappointment.
Thank you for your service and your post. I agree with you, 100%.
Most welcome and Thank You!
Well said…:)
Thank you! If I were not witnessing this current moment with my own eyes, I would never have believed it.
I’m with you 100%, and feel the same way; you just said it much better. When did you ever think we would be voting (UN) with China, Russia. N.Korea and Hungary, against our loyal allies for 70-80 years? This is despicable, and grotesque!
That said, what Trump did to Zelenskyy, the president of a nation under attack, and fighting for his country’s very existence; was beyond words! And you know me well enough in the comments section, to know, I have no shortage of colorful words in my vocabulary; and I’m not afraid to use them…:)
Expletive or no expletive, the message is still there. Terrorism has come home to take a seat in the White House. Comic strip character from long ago, Pogo: "I have seen the enemy and he is us."
Yes, Dems should get rid of anyone over 65 except Bernie. I'd be all for putting younger people in charge.
I for one and missing Nancy Pelosi’s ability to get under Trump skin in a very big and public way. She was able to command attention to opposition. That sweet little b!+ch could dominate narcissistic trump. AOC is wonderful in a likewise fierce manner. I wonder if Hakeem Jefferies will tear up Trump‘s speech today. Hopefully he will have something equally dramatic to do.
Conservatives are the enemy. They do not accept the liberal values of inherent rights, equality under the law, equal opportunity and consent to and participation in governance. "Woke" and DEI aren't problems, conservatives are. The entire "woke" and "DEI" things are a liberal reaction to conservatives opposing fairness and inclusivity dating back to their Civil War loss that should have resulted in an end to oppression of black people, but it didn't. Conservatives continued their opposition to liberal ideals that led to liberal laws, such as the Civil Rights Act that led to further conservative backlash.
In other words, no conservatives, no need for woke or DEI. Again, conservatives are the enemy.
Not all parts of the Right are identical, just as not all parts of the Left are identical. Painting with a very broad brush leads to confusion.
There are many of us on the left who oppose DEI.
The trad wife idea is very real among the religious homeschooling movement. I’m not sure how far it extends into the Republican multiverse, but there is a basis in reality.
Perhaps that is why ReThugnicans are now predominantly low information, naive fools.
Hasan is an ***antisemite*** and has platformed in a positive light Houthi pirate and Hezbollah terrorist propaganda videos. He is able to hide this on the Twitch platform radicalizing Americas youth, while also gaining support from the DNC while they’ve been searching for the “left’s Joe Rogan”. PLEASE don’t mention him without mentioning that he gained the honor of being selected as the antisemite of the year. It is dangerous to introduce him to yet more people. He is an undercover communist. Not in the way that republicans call democrats communists, but a true illiberal communists. Ethan Klein has recently released a content nuke on Hasan that has Hasan on a recording saying so himself.
I'm not a fan of Hasan, but you're kinda going crazy here with the demonisation; communism generally doesn't mix well with Islam and most people who claim their opponents are communists *and* radical muslims have lost the plot somewhere.
Go to Amazon. Order some Ukrainian Flag stickers (less than $10). Put one on your car and give the others away.
Indeed but don’t buy on Amazon, Bezos is killing a once great WaPo with his billions.
This is such an important example of topics, like climate change, that are awash in bullshit and misinformation, strongly held false truths, and toxic media influences, for hundreds of years. America have never really come to terms with Eugenics, a very American pseudo-science funded by multi-millionaires, much like those funding Donny-John and Stephen Miller, who spread hate in pretty much whatever ways serves them. Carnegie funded the eugenics journals!
The research that the Nazis used to claim ‘science’ for the methods of the holocaust! Here we go again…
These areas are rich because they are not resolved, and many depend on the conflict for their importance…when world powers stole land to create Israel they were the same racist tendencies.
Now the two state solution has been undermined by violent, often Russian, settlers on Palestinian lands supported by neo-fascist right in Israel. And Hamas is a terrorist group who has taken over the youth of Gaza based on this 80 year debacle and has stollen billions.
Greater minds then I should be working on a peace plan, but is clear is that Benny and Donny should not be in the room!
Older listener of this podcast here... I've never done social media so when "woke" showed up I was clueless and I just can't figure out what the purpose of the term is or why it became a thing. I just see it as yet another label that as soon as it comes up it's used relentlessly as a talking point against the very thing people want to be woke about. All these terms and labels are if not immediately, soon are weaponized.
It is humiliating to see what's become of the people who are representing our country. I am 66 years old and I would not have been a good king or dictator when I was 13. But I may have been better than the current king of America.
Remember movies where a prince becomes an emperor at age 12, whose ego is immediately out of whack, and he treats all his personal subjects like pieces of shit? This is what we have, going forward. How do you like them apples? America the beautiful? Damn. What have we become?
These posts are getting better each time!
Tim,
The Wannbe Dictator, is not a petty king, more analogous to him being:
Archduke Donald of Dementia-Felonia, a liege to his master, Emperor Elon of The White Empire.
Lol, the constituency for antipathy to Russia can't hold a candle in intensity to that for hatred of Israel.
It isn't fueled by years of campus indoctrination and Arab money.
Not to mention that Bibi Netanyahu has been the bête noire of the American left for decades.
Moreover, hatred of Israel is an emotional proxy. It's displaced hatred for America. But after all, antisemitism has always been displaced rage at the established order. Indeed, established regimes have always used it to distract their subjects.
You think it's an accident that when young people were polled, two thirds said Jews were "oppressors" but 79% (!) said the same thing of whites? https://www.allsides.com/news/2023-12-17-0022/general-news-79-18-24-year-olds-say-white-people-67-say-jews-are-oppressors
I think there is also a convenient element of "white savior" syndrome in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that can't be - consciously or subconsciously - activated in Russia/Ukraine. YMMV.
I'll listen to this, but before I do that, here are my takes:
1) Iran/Hamas met around 30 years ago to create a plan to propagandize American students. It worked. Qatar has funded elite US universities with billions, with the express intent of spreading anti-Israel and anti-Jewish sentiment, inserting faculty strategically who would carry those messages for them.
2) Ukrainians are white, and leftists only protest for non-white people (even though 51% of Jews in Israel aren't white, they don't count because...Jews).
3) As a continuation of #2, antisemitism. It's easy to target Jews (see: history of civilization for reference).
4) Leftists are hypocrites who not only don't care about Ukrainian children who are actually being genocided, they also don't care about Yemeni children, Syrian children, Darfur's children, Yazidi, Kurds or Druze, all of whom are actually victims of genocide. NOTE: These keffiyeh-clad students couldn't have pointed out Gaza (or Israel, for that matter) on a map prior to 10/7/2023. Even now, they don't know which "river" and which "sea" to which their chants refer.
As a non-Semite who has been through these things since the 80s, I agree with all of the above. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
I can see from the commenters that this pod/video seems to be reaching a very different audience, or at least different ones that are willing to comment.
Different audience from what? Sorry I’m new here and don’t know what is expected.
From the other podcasts/newsletters the Bulwark offers. I’ve been here almost from the beginning - welcome!
I’m don’t think Ukraine and Gaza are apples to apples comparisons.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation with a large army, diplomatic relations with other countries, and the ability to legally obtain arms and military support for self defense.
Gazans are economically impoverished, totally isolated from the world - basically sitting ducks trapped in a very small strip of land they aren’t allowed to leave, with no national army, arms to defend themselves or even the ability to receive food, water and humanitarian aid freely. And Hamas are hardly operating in the best interests of the people living in Gaza. Gazans have no meaningful defense, no basic necessities, nothing. They’re like fish being shot in a barrel.
I’m not sure how these two conflicts are really comparable in any other way except to say that they’re both horrendous.
The way I've seen the Ukraine war since the beginning is that if anyone invaded my home I would go down fighting. Putin invaded 10 yrs ago, we should have stood up for Ukraine then. WE broke our promise of security guarantees when they gave up the nukes. Russia doesn't understand anything but force and resistance. Resistance like in Afghanistan
I seriously think that Ukraine will refuse to ever surrender. If they can’t win- they will willingly fight until the last man standing is standing no more. And honestly- I can’t imagine anything more patriotic than that. ❤️🇺🇦
Susan with the GNX Tour tix here: thanks for the permission slip!! I’ll report back in June. Love the show❤️
Agree with the advice to DANCE and totally enjoy yourself!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do you think Ukraine is the weaker country? They have fought Russia for 3 years and inflicted massive losses.
It's about the cost. Russia is a military based economy, where the people are so beaten into submission that having the economic level of the lower middle class of western nations (including Ukraine) would be thought to be living high-on-the-hog.
Ukraine has a decent economy and depends on NATO for military supplies. If that supply chain dries-up the bravery won't count.
To most simply respond to the question, because some folks like to express performative outrage but hide their selfishness and unwillingness to really act or make a difference. Some of the same people who screamed about Gaza (and I’ve been involved with pointing out Israel’s oppressive attitude toward Palestinians for decades, fyi I have Palestinian and Jewish relatives) didn’t vote. And where has that gotten the Palestinians?
We are on the same path the country was in the 1920's when the original "America First " movement sprung up caused by many of the same circumstances, making the same blunders, an economy dominated by economic fraudsters' some elected, some bought and paid for to elevate their parochial interests over those who elected them in favor of big banks and and the uber wealthy. Those who stand idly by and ignore history, are once again it will be a near total failure of civil society.
Wow. Read up on your history, guys. This dialogue was impossibly naive.
And these are the informed ones. The purpose of the podcast is to find out what Gen Z is thinking, not to change their minds. Yet.
Gaza - 80 years of slow-motion apartheid. Tons of emigration from. Proxy for how Europe and US treats Muslims in general. Betrayed and used by the Muslim tyrannic governments, which many Muslims hate. Ignored by the rest of the world.
Ukraine - 9 years under the gun, 3 years of war, betrayed by the nuclear agreement, then beloved and supported until January 20th, even if badly done. Front and center for Europe. Lauded and lionized.
Get it now? No? Of course not. Ukraine SHOULD get the same or similar treatment but it will take time. That Ukraine does not have time is depressing as hell. That people don't act right is depressing normal.
Why not bring up Black Lives Matter protests and Gen Z. You guys need a ON ALL FRONTS- to add some people of color’s perspective. Speaking as a white liberal- dare I say- some DEI at the Bulwark would really round out the picture.
Well, that was awesome! One thing though for the Z'ers....I guess they stopped listening after the Woke stuff from Harris. Give them something to vote for? How about the $25,000.00 down payment assistance? How about building 3 million new and more afford homes? How about expanding heath care. IDK, love this POD.
That’s when I stopped listening to the kids babble on.
No more wars? Yet, Trump is all in on continuing funding Israel’s war in Gaza.
For the headline, Ukraine was always worse than what was happening in Gaza? I'm confused on how it could be seen as any differently. Cities literally wiped off the map. Constant attacks on civilian locations with no military reasoning.
I see a sibling posted that what Gaza has going for it is propaganda. I can't but agree. Just look at the numbers in both.
In the section about JD Vance being whiny, see Josh Barro's piece about Vivek Ramaswamy. JD has "section guy" energy.
https://www.joshbarro.com/p/section-guy-runs-for-president
This may or may not be popular BUT to WIN elections AGAIN and have a MAJORITY a TRIFECTA of the Presidency, The House and The Senate we MUST STOP SAYING things like, " I'm triggered as fk." Saying I'm triggered, as opposed to I'm pissed off, as opposed to something, ANYTHING, even REMOTELY STRONG MUST STOP, IF, IF we want to WIN back the MAJORITY of the 🇺🇸🧍🏻. I'm triggered or ANYTHING like THAT, sounds, well... WEAK as hell!
In fact, we should say we're pissed off, but that the other side is 'triggered'. Vance is almost ALWAYS triggered. Both he and Trump were triggered by Zelenskyy.
Interesting point about language here--the way what language means is changing and being manipulated by the right, I think it's going to be important to use their own words and terms against them.........
Yes, and Trump at al are experts at using the 'left's language against them. Woke. Fake News. They re-define and weaponize language. They turn everything on its head and get away with it. Time for us to play by the new rules.
I think it’s bc the U.S. is already on the side of the good guys in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Israel-Pal is more morally complex. I thought it was obvious. Prob good question is why doesn’t the Bulwark have the same passion towards America breaking international law and siding with 3 tin pot countries against the entire world to block UN resolutions condemning Israel?
I personally started to sour on our policy towards Israel after reading this well-sourced investigative piece detailing in painstaking detail how the administration ignored human rights abuses: https://www.propublica.org/article/biden-blinken-state-department-israel-gaza-human-rights-horrors.
The campus tentists and Palestinian nationalists have a lot of idiotic ideas, even anti-Semitic ones. I think the youth engages in a ton of overheated rhetoric around Israel that’s unfair. But here’s what I would say. The defeat of the pro-life movement was largely a result of republicans putting up a low character person like Trump which made ppl cynical and harder to convince them of the moral cause, in addition to secularization of America ofc. In a way, the pro-choice win is a failure of the pro-life movement more than it is a win for feminists and I think in some ways, the Iraq War, and America deliberately overlooking and sometimes enabling documented Israeli war crimes is what broke the rules based international order more than Trump did. It was a failure to take accountability that created the opening for such cynicism that Trump is able to inverse reality and call Zelensky a dictator.
Well except that MAGA trumpism broke the rule of law long before Gaza.
Obv Iraq happened before MAGA, all I’m trying to say is that there are going to be mistakes in the goal of creating a humane international order, but that’s why there needs to be rigorous accountability on people who screw up. And we especially need to be tougher on our allies when they commit war crimes. To protect against the norm of territorial integrity, it is actually more important Bulwark speak out against Israel annexing the West Bank than Putin taking Ukrainian territory. The sanctity of law and norms only holds when the Global South witnesses those norms applied to our allies, it cannot just be a tool to punish our adversaries. It breeds cynicism and absence of even a pretense of neutral application of law, there’s going to be a jungle and only cynicism, and Trump wins because he isn’t even *trying* to uphold moral values. Israel has a right to exist, it was created through international law, but it needs to exist within defined boundaries. The Israeli far right should not be allowed to mass expel a certain ethnic population and then re-populate that area with another ethnicity of ppl. I’m increasingly convinced ethnic cleansing will happen, but it’s important that it doesn’t happen with American made weapons and that we condemn it. It’s the 21st century and the principle of territorial integrity must be defended.
Having credible sources for your papers and what you say in high school was important for Gen Z. Gen Z has only know this denial Republican party with little to no sources.
I was with a bunch of millennials at my son’s house Saturday. Overheard and engaged in many conversations about how fucked we are. One friend taught at the Postnaval Academy but is leaving for Duke because of the regime. He couldn’t categorically say what the military would do if given an illegal order. That further freaked me out. Most of the convo was regarding the amoral outburst on Friday. Not sure how representative a group this was but younger people are definitely tuned in.
Boomer here, and I think Cam is AWESOME! Great add to The Bulwark.
Chuckling to myself about Jeff Goldblum of Jurassic Park. I remember him from The Big Chill and The Fly.
Tim, I just love this pod. Cam, your honesty and insights constantly catch me off guard. Please keep doing what you're doing.
😹😹😹 I remember Jeff Goldblum from “Earth Girls Are Easy”
Oh yeah!!! Blast from the past, Lisa!
Agreed. The new podcast is starting to hit its stride. I am not sure how much deep insight we will gain unless the point is to show that the younger generation is a lot like the older generations (of conscientious self-aware humans.) But it’s warm and funny and interesting. Keep up the great work!
Cam is wise beyond his years and gives me hope.
Ellie was great!
I'm learning.
Josh Johnson is very funny.
I don't know if you have Spotify, but Trevor Noah's podcast had an episode right after the Luigi Mangione CEO shooting and Josh Johnson was the guest and gave THE BEST take on that whole situation--he's not just funny, he's super bright!
DOGE IS TERRIBLE. Hire a professional that knows how to improve Governments.
Oh, by the way I AM 74.
Putin and Trump he has a deal with Putin. Trump is losing a ton of money on Crypto.
Putin wanted a Democracy and be part of NATO.
No insult meant to this young man, but alot of the youth investment in Gaza was due to propaganda. To call a war on a country that attacked you, a genocide, is so very offensive and so ludicrous.
You can critique Bibi for many things, and many Israelis do. But these young people were used intentionally by pro-Hamas propaganda and they bit in completely.
Where are all the protests now?
No where.
It was a trendy thing to do for them
The protests were social gatherings that accomplished one thing, ostracizing Jewish students.
There's so many of us Jewish Americans who lean left, who were absolutely disappointed and disgusted with our gentile friends on the left after October 7th. Heck, that's half the reason I discovered The Bulwark. To escape online communities that said, "if you don't say Gaza is genocide that means you want babies dead a d you are evil", which is no deal and no community I want to be in.
I do feel sympathy for these young people. I have no idea how to cure people of apathy, especially wen they also seem so easily fooled with TikTok propaganda. I want to have hope in the youth of America, but post October 7th didn't make me hopeful.
This.
Thoughts and prayers for "these young people." I'm fresh out of sympathy for fools.
Linda, I understand how you feel. It's disheartening, your frustration is reasonable. I was a foolish teen also though. I'm guessing you probably wouldn't endorse every teen age choice you made.
I don't want to give them a pass just for being young, but I think the amount of propaganda on social media is something we never delt with. I think for many of us who didn't use any social media until our 20s, it's easy to dismiss the power of it. But look how easily it made adults radicalize over the years on Facebook. I get the impression being a teen on Tiktok is 3x as easy to be fed lies.
So I can't shame you, Linda. Bt I think it's important to remember, these types are gettable. So it's not just being sympathetic but thinking strategy. We need as many as we can get. They are not MAGA Red caps. We can talk sense to them, I think. But correcting the wall of lies will not be easy.
I appreciate your thoughts. Frankly, I made few regrettable choices as a teen, twenty-something, or later. My father was a military officer, and I was an excellent student; observed the house rules about drinking, partying, premarital sex; left for a university 17; graduated in 3½ years; married my husband at 20; worked until we had children; and went back to work at 40, obtaining my CFP, CTFA, and securities licenses. My husband served as an officer in the US Navy for 20 years, and while he deployed on 4 ships, I did everything else. I'm out of sympathy for those who support the travesty, the Felon-in-Chief. They are traitors as much as he, himself, is. Nevertheless, I remain engaged and try to be open-minded. Today, I simply am too tired.
It’s almost like a country backing a very popular social media app put its finger on the algorithm to create a cleavage point in US society to harm a sitting president 🤔.
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The only person that will make money in the minerals are ELON MUSK for his Rockets.
The bombs devastated Jewish ZELENSKY the Country of Ukraine. President ZELENSKY is a hero wartime President . This beautiful is designated. You should be involved with Ukraine and Biden visited the Country. Trump can't leave the Country as a felon, rapist and Europe doesn't allow Felons in their Countries not even Canada
Too painful to watch, “LIKE it makes sense, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE………as Tim said, it’s hopeless! LIKE WHATEVER!!!!!
If you want to win the youth vote, do what Musk, Putin and Orban have done; steal it! Nefarious AI algorithms, and disinformation campaigns on social media—apparently: work wonders! IMHO!…:)
The entire podcast would be less than an hour if there were no “likes” “kinda” and “fuck”s. The youngsters should realize that Tim was by far the funniest one. I had hopes for GenZ insights but like, no.
Exactly, I thought there would be some insights I’m missing, but nothing! Well said…:)
Yep , every second word was like! And Like maybe the young lady could have stopped playing with her hair - really off putting
I'm not 100% sure this is the show for you if you can't handle the word ticks such as "Like."
Also your take is very much "tell me your are an old dude without telling me you are an old dude"
I was being a bit sarcastic, but confusion and chaos are, and were being used to sow dissent and discord on social media platforms; a divide and conquer strategy.
Studies have also proven that disinformation campaigns and propaganda are especially effective on social media platforms.
Additionally, the use of nefarious AI algorithms pushing negative and graphic images of destruction in Gaza to Muslims, Palestinians and many in the the liberal community, while simultaneously, showing negative and graphic images and content to the Jewish and conservative communities, were very effective in shaping people’s perceptions.
This is my point!..:)
https://www.ncsc.org/consulting-and-research/areas-of-expertise/communications,-civics-and-disinformation/disinformation/for-the-public
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11142451/