Tim and Cam discuss young Americans’ response to the latest Ukraine news, and why they don’t show the same passion toward that cause as they have toward the war in Gaza.
Very true, Ellie. Dems are so fucking uptight, over-button-down that they cannot possibly make the point of how the right isn't normal. Maybe they need some edibles or bourbon (need to support of bourbon makers). Maybe our dems are far too sober.
I want to preface that I think the idea of a gen z pod generally is a good idea, but As a 23 year old democrat from Los Angeles, who went to school in Wisconsin and now lives in New York i am of the belief that Cam is not the best representative to achieve what this pod is set out to do. Perhaps it’s personal bias on my end, but the way he talks about things and the insights he shares on young adults does not resonate in the slightest with me and at times does not even sound as though we’d belong to the same party. It is imperative that Dems moving forward find a way to meaningfully connect with young adults our age, and as someone sympathetic to some of his views, I find myself wanting to not be associated with his school of thought.
P.P.S Being a Luigi sympathizer like Ellie is abhorrent and a pretty perfect encapsulation of what is wrong with young democrats and people's aversion to it.
I will not claim to be an expert, but I think the answer to the question what to tell the folks who say that Ukraine has no chance of beating Russia so they must compromise (their land) is actually fairly easy. They could easily defeat Russian with the full support of their allies and I think we could do it without US boots on the ground. Serious, not half assed sanctions, more military support (weapons, ammunition, intel., etc) was/is what is needed. I think it could have already ended if we had been more supportive from the beginning. Yes, it involves investment of resources on our end but some things warrant that. I think a good analogy is the bully on the playground. You must stand up to them or they will just keep on. Ukraine has done a valiant job, but the other kids on the playground need to step in and put the bully in his place to show the world that this is unacceptable behavior that won't be tolerated. Ukrainians are prepared to lay down their lives, the least we could do is back them up with resources and sanctions. Plus, we already agreed to provide security to Ukraine when they agreed to give up their nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, agreements and contracts don't seem to mean anything to us anymore which is why we've lost the trust of the world.
We live in a society where individualism reigns supreme. There no longer is a spirit of solidarity between the nations and peoples of this world. I visited the Battle of the Bulge museum in Bastogne, Belgium, last summer. Highly recommended. There was a book with questions for the viewing visitors. One was:" If you had been alive at the onset of WWII, would you have wanted your country to join in the fight against Germany/fascism"? The amount of negative answers was eye-opening and, to me, disturbing.
Tim, the next time you have a GenZ gal on who has an online presence, can you ask about how they deal with online trolling and harassment? I just finished Nina Jankowicz's "How to be a Woman Online: Surviving Abuse and Harassment, and How to Fight Back" and I would love a discussion of the amount of abuse there is online/the whole issue of trolling/etc.........
People seem to be hating on this episode but I thought it was interesting. I am very interested in hearing people where they are. I know I’ll disagree with them sometimes but it doesn’t make their viewpoint suddenly not count. We need to know what people are saying, especially if they are wrong, so we can work to correct them. It’s why we have e the focus group pod, right? This is just that in long form… I hope you keep doing this, I will keep watching. I think it is important work because I hear things I do not hear elsewhere, so keep it up!
I find the content interesting. I don't mind the speech patterns.
It is oddly low energy for being the "young" podcast. When Tim, JV and Sarah get together, the conversation sparkles and pops. Here it seems very muted. Maybe these are just growing pains in getting this thing going.
Susan D. It is growing pains you are the only comment. I AM 74 and been a Political Advocate with many Political friends since I had dinner with Pres. Ford in 72,in SF.. HAVENT READ ANYTHING IN YOUR SUBSTACK . ANOTHER PODCAST. YUK!! YOUTUBE AND LINKEDIN KICKS ONE OFF IF THEY ARENT CAREFUL, NOT TO MENTION A NAME, PLACE, ETC
I was brought up to believe it is better to die fighting than to live on your knees
I love these conversations. Thanks again Bulwark for your great work
Very true, Ellie. Dems are so fucking uptight, over-button-down that they cannot possibly make the point of how the right isn't normal. Maybe they need some edibles or bourbon (need to support of bourbon makers). Maybe our dems are far too sober.
I want to preface that I think the idea of a gen z pod generally is a good idea, but As a 23 year old democrat from Los Angeles, who went to school in Wisconsin and now lives in New York i am of the belief that Cam is not the best representative to achieve what this pod is set out to do. Perhaps it’s personal bias on my end, but the way he talks about things and the insights he shares on young adults does not resonate in the slightest with me and at times does not even sound as though we’d belong to the same party. It is imperative that Dems moving forward find a way to meaningfully connect with young adults our age, and as someone sympathetic to some of his views, I find myself wanting to not be associated with his school of thought.
P.P.S Being a Luigi sympathizer like Ellie is abhorrent and a pretty perfect encapsulation of what is wrong with young democrats and people's aversion to it.
Also for the love of god, let’s not encourage Hasan Piker fans lol
I will not claim to be an expert, but I think the answer to the question what to tell the folks who say that Ukraine has no chance of beating Russia so they must compromise (their land) is actually fairly easy. They could easily defeat Russian with the full support of their allies and I think we could do it without US boots on the ground. Serious, not half assed sanctions, more military support (weapons, ammunition, intel., etc) was/is what is needed. I think it could have already ended if we had been more supportive from the beginning. Yes, it involves investment of resources on our end but some things warrant that. I think a good analogy is the bully on the playground. You must stand up to them or they will just keep on. Ukraine has done a valiant job, but the other kids on the playground need to step in and put the bully in his place to show the world that this is unacceptable behavior that won't be tolerated. Ukrainians are prepared to lay down their lives, the least we could do is back them up with resources and sanctions. Plus, we already agreed to provide security to Ukraine when they agreed to give up their nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, agreements and contracts don't seem to mean anything to us anymore which is why we've lost the trust of the world.
If you were all banned from using the word "like" every three words, you wouldn't even be able to talk.
White men are now having to compete. For jobs, for partners, for fame, attention wealth…. And they don’t like it.
So the question for Gen Z is: what would they fight for?
Don’t forget North Koreans are now fighting for Russia
We’ve got to hit rock bottom for recovery
Maybe the distinction about Oct 7 and Gaza is Hamas is a terrorist org versus a US supported bombing of civilization
So far this show is pretty good. I’m learnin a lot about what people younger than me think about stuff.
Awww, that was sweet. What a cute (ex) couple. Maybe you’ll find your way back to each other one day❤️
I’m so glad to have met yet another smart, funny, articulate, accomplished gen z-er. There’s hope for the future yet!
We live in a society where individualism reigns supreme. There no longer is a spirit of solidarity between the nations and peoples of this world. I visited the Battle of the Bulge museum in Bastogne, Belgium, last summer. Highly recommended. There was a book with questions for the viewing visitors. One was:" If you had been alive at the onset of WWII, would you have wanted your country to join in the fight against Germany/fascism"? The amount of negative answers was eye-opening and, to me, disturbing.
Tim, the next time you have a GenZ gal on who has an online presence, can you ask about how they deal with online trolling and harassment? I just finished Nina Jankowicz's "How to be a Woman Online: Surviving Abuse and Harassment, and How to Fight Back" and I would love a discussion of the amount of abuse there is online/the whole issue of trolling/etc.........
People seem to be hating on this episode but I thought it was interesting. I am very interested in hearing people where they are. I know I’ll disagree with them sometimes but it doesn’t make their viewpoint suddenly not count. We need to know what people are saying, especially if they are wrong, so we can work to correct them. It’s why we have e the focus group pod, right? This is just that in long form… I hope you keep doing this, I will keep watching. I think it is important work because I hear things I do not hear elsewhere, so keep it up!
I find the content interesting. I don't mind the speech patterns.
It is oddly low energy for being the "young" podcast. When Tim, JV and Sarah get together, the conversation sparkles and pops. Here it seems very muted. Maybe these are just growing pains in getting this thing going.
Susan D. It is growing pains you are the only comment. I AM 74 and been a Political Advocate with many Political friends since I had dinner with Pres. Ford in 72,in SF.. HAVENT READ ANYTHING IN YOUR SUBSTACK . ANOTHER PODCAST. YUK!! YOUTUBE AND LINKEDIN KICKS ONE OFF IF THEY ARENT CAREFUL, NOT TO MENTION A NAME, PLACE, ETC